what would you ask to do this?

Dec 04, 2015 at 11:12 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Have been offered power only round trip, 156 miles. but My deadhead to get it is 30 miles. So round trip house to house is 216 or so. One or two times each week. little or no waiting time. What would you guys ask for doing this?

Replied on Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 11:19 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. $$600 minimum

Replied on Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 03:02 PM CST + 3
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. And what else are you going to do that day? $1000 is my minimum. I dont care if it goes next door.

Replied on Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 09:02 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. $5.00/ loaded mile minimum.

Replied on Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 10:34 PM CST + 1 - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Oh hell .50 cents a loaded mile is more than plenty!!!! If you have to ask what to charge someone maybe you need to go back to driven for somebody !! Just Sayin !

Replied on Sat, Dec 05, 2015 at 12:20 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. A guy can't even ask a question without people being smart asses.

Replied on Sat, Dec 05, 2015 at 04:37 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Well Howard, it appears this forum business has turned into the CB conversation at a truckstop. Don't be shy or ridiculous. I would look at $500.00 to $600.00 for POWER ONLY.

Replied on Sat, Dec 05, 2015 at 05:51 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Check your math I come up with 312 round trip. Not including the deadhead.

Replied on Sat, Dec 05, 2015 at 06:33 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Read it again. He says 216 miles house to house.

Replied on Sat, Dec 05, 2015 at 07:26 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Many excuses I missed the 156 miles as 1 way. I guess I will hang up my cb mike and but out so I don't cause anymore hate and discontent. However I would probably bid it between $600& $700, maybe more not knowing the locations and other details.

Replied on Sat, Dec 05, 2015 at 07:26 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Many excuses I missed the 156 miles as 1 way. I guess I will hang up my cb mike and but out so I don't cause anymore hate and discontent. However I would probably bid it between $600& $700, maybe more not knowing the locations and other details.

Replied on Sat, Dec 05, 2015 at 09:04 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Do it at an hourly rate.. From where you are now to pu point to delivery point back to where you started.. It may take you 3 hours or 3 days..

Replied on Sun, Dec 06, 2015 at 07:25 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Thanks guys, well, some of you. I wish it were simple. The bottom line is: can the shipper make money paying me what I ask? I won't do it unless Its profitable. I talked to a dispatcher from an outfit I haul for just in the spring time, garden soil and that sort of thing, the stuff goes to hardware stores, garden shops, places like that. He ships many loads on flatbed to distances like what I have been offered. The going rate for a haul that size, hiring tractor and trailer is 300 to 350. This guy has no options either, the product has to be there or the competition will get the sales. I see guys doing two-a-day at that rate for a month or two. They go 80 or 120 miles and deliver, then come back for a second load, trying to get the second one off before the consignees close for the day. They make 700 or 800 dollars for a days work. maybe 400 miles run. Do that five days a week and they are satisfied. Maybe they have done alright. Some of them are employees too, so I guess they make percentage. I might do the load for 350 if I can pick the day and time. I have slack time most weeks. I am lucky and can usually work within 300 miles of home. The dispatcher I mentioned said he would take this power-only for 300-350 if I didn't want it. He has a lot of trucks to keep busy. Either way it isn't any gold mine. No loss if someone else does it. I will bid high and see what the guy says. $300 for 5 hrs = $60 hour. I think $75 an hour sounds better. I think my normal operation turns $86 an hour. But that is awfully hard to figure. I never tried to calculate it until just now.

Replied on Sun, Dec 06, 2015 at 07:25 AM CST

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Thanks guys, well, some of you. I wish it were simple. The bottom line is: can the shipper make money paying me what I ask? I won't do it unless Its profitable.

I talked to a dispatcher from an outfit I haul for just in the spring time, garden soil and that sort of thing, the stuff goes to hardware stores, garden shops, places like that. He ships many loads on flatbed to distances like what I have been offered. The going rate for a haul that size, hiring tractor and trailer is 300 to 350. This guy has no options either, the product has to be there or the competition will get the sales. I see guys doing two-a-day at that rate for a month or two. They go 80 or 120 miles and deliver, then come back for a second load, trying to get the second one off before the consignees close for the day. They make 700 or 800 dollars for a days work. maybe 400 miles run. Do that five days a week and they are satisfied. Maybe they have done alright. Some of them are employees too, so I guess they make percentage. I might do the load for 350 if I can pick the day and time. I have slack time most weeks. I am lucky and can usually work within 300 miles of home.
The dispatcher I mentioned said he would take this power-only for 300-350 if I didn't want it. He has a lot of trucks to keep busy. Either way it isn't any gold mine. No loss if someone else does it. I will bid high and see what the guy says. $300 for 5 hrs = $60 hour. I think $75 an hour sounds better. I think my normal operation turns $86 an hour. But that is awfully hard to figure. I never tried to calculate it until just now.

Replied on Sun, Dec 06, 2015 at 05:49 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Short hauls are all screwed up because there isn't enough work for all the available trucks, and the supertruckers that won't bother with it in good times are fighting over it now. What will happen is what always happens, which is why this all seems so absurd to me. When things pick up (if I'm still here to notice it), the short loads will be harder to cover because the guys who like to run or have big notes will go back to the long mile loads to stay in the $1000/day and up range. I like to work for that same money too, but don't mind doing 2 short loads around home that might total 400 miles including deadhead. I live 70-100 miles from most of my starting points and it is a losing situation right out of the gate if I can't string some short ones together in order to keep the %empty miles covered by the loaded rate. I see lots of short loads now offered at $2/mile like thats supposed to be big money or something on a 200 mile load. Part of your short haul rate should be opportunity cost, in other words what could you make in a day if you just got out and ran. Shippers have a short memory when it comes to this. So if you can turn 2 shorts in a day or at least get back through the house loaded at night, together they need to be worth what a day running long miles would be worth in your operation. After all, you're going to do twice the work for getting to see your family and sleep in your own bed.

Replied on Sun, Dec 06, 2015 at 05:49 PM CST

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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Short hauls are all screwed up because there isn't enough work for all the available trucks, and the supertruckers that won't bother with it in good times are fighting over it now. What will happen is what always happens, which is why this all seems so absurd to me. When things pick up (if I'm still here to notice it), the short loads will be harder to cover because the guys who like to run or have big notes will go back to the long mile loads to stay in the $1000/day and up range. I like to work for that same money too, but don't mind doing 2 short loads around home that might total 400 miles including deadhead. I live 70-100 miles from most of my starting points and it is a losing situation right out of the gate if I can't string some short ones together in order to keep the %empty miles covered by the loaded rate. I see lots of short loads now offered at $2/mile like thats supposed to be big money or something on a 200 mile load. Part of your short haul rate should be opportunity cost, in other words what could you make in a day if you just got out and ran. Shippers have a short memory when it comes to this. So if you can turn 2 shorts in a day or at least get back through the house loaded at night, together they need to be worth what a day running long miles would be worth in your operation. After all, you're going to do twice the work for getting to see your family and sleep in your own bed.

Replied on Mon, Dec 07, 2015 at 02:17 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Short hauls are all screwed up because there isn't enough work for all the available trucks, and the supertruckers that won't bother with it in good times are fighting over it now. What will happen is what always happens, which is why this all seems so absurd to me. When things pick up (if I'm still here to notice it), the short loads will be harder to cover because the guys who like to run or have big notes will go back to the long mile loads to stay in the $1000/day and up range. I like to work for that same money too, but don't mind doing 2 short loads around home that might total 400 miles including deadhead. I live 70-100 miles from most of my starting points and it is a losing situation right out of the gate if I can't string some short ones together in order to keep the %empty miles covered by the loaded rate. I see lots of short loads now offered at $2/mile like thats supposed to be big money or something on a 200 mile load. Part of your short haul rate should be opportunity cost, in other words what could you make in a day if you just got out and ran. Shippers have a short memory when it comes to this. So if you can turn 2 shorts in a day or at least get back through the house loaded at night, together they need to be worth what a day running long miles would be worth in your operation. After all, you're going to do twice the work for getting to see your family and sleep in your own bed. " This started out with a question about how much the rate should be. I have been doing this for a very long time my minimum rate is $1,000 per day no matter if the truck moves or not if I leave the house at $1,000 minimum per day. Round trip rate only. Because we have a 50% dead head ratio normally. If I was a broker I would be taken advantage of this situation too, I falter them not. I falter to dumb truck driver. I still can't believe all the hopper bottom drivers I talked to daily saying they are making five or six thousand dollars per week I ask them how many miles they are driving they say between 2500 and 3000 miles per week that is insane.

Replied on Mon, Dec 07, 2015 at 02:17 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "Short hauls are all screwed up because there isn't enough work for all the available trucks, and the supertruckers that won't bother with it in good times are fighting over it now. What will happen is what always happens, which is why this all seems so absurd to me. When things pick up (if I'm still here to notice it), the short loads will be harder to cover because the guys who like to run or have big notes will go back to the long mile loads to stay in the $1000/day and up range. I like to work for that same money too, but don't mind doing 2 short loads around home that might total 400 miles including deadhead. I live 70-100 miles from most of my starting points and it is a losing situation right out of the gate if I can't string some short ones together in order to keep the %empty miles covered by the loaded rate. I see lots of short loads now offered at $2/mile like thats supposed to be big money or something on a 200 mile load. Part of your short haul rate should be opportunity cost, in other words what could you make in a day if you just got out and ran. Shippers have a short memory when it comes to this. So if you can turn 2 shorts in a day or at least get back through the house loaded at night, together they need to be worth what a day running long miles would be worth in your operation. After all, you're going to do twice the work for getting to see your family and sleep in your own bed. "

This started out with a question about how much the rate should be. I have been doing this for a very long time my minimum rate is $1,000 per day no matter if the truck moves or not if I leave the house at $1,000 minimum per day. Round trip rate only. Because we have a 50% dead head ratio normally. If I was a broker I would be taken advantage of this situation too, I falter them not. I falter to dumb truck driver. I still can't believe all the hopper bottom drivers I talked to daily saying they are making five or six thousand dollars per week I ask them how many miles they are driving they say between 2500 and 3000 miles per week that is insane.

Replied on Mon, Dec 07, 2015 at 01:50 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. You will be lucky to get $300, I guess not everyone lives in the real world, power only if that

Replied on Mon, Dec 07, 2015 at 02:38 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Troy, You busted my bubble. I have been dreaming about getting 500 or more like the other guys said. You don't suppose some of the guys on here stretch the truth..., do you?

Replied on Mon, Dec 07, 2015 at 07:26 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Troy, You busted my bubble. I have been dreaming about getting 500 or more like the other guys said. You don't suppose some of the guys on here stretch the truth..., do you?" Not saying we're not worth it, shoot hi