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Dec 10, 2015 at 06:51 PM CST
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I'm looking for dry van loads. Who has them? 53'X102". Nebraska Intrastate or surrounding states.
Replied on Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 10:26 PM CST
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These guys are honest and have quite a bit of dry van freight in your region. We have worked with each other for over 3 years and they have fair to good rates and pay rather fast as well.

Hybrid Transit Sytems, INC
818 Dows Rd., SE STE 160
Cedar Rapids, IA 52403
319-261-0749
MC#: 534198

Replied on Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 10:41 PM CST
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You can just keep those farm trucks parked. I should have looked your name up at safer web before I tried to help you. Most honorable brokers on the dry van side will not want you hauling their freight, it is doubtful that you have enough insurance on your equipment to cover the dry van freight if you guys flipped over the van. Now I have a greater understanding why the dry van market is tumbling, you part timers are out here most likely running illegal cutting the prices of a market you know nothing about.

Everybody gripes about the Mexicans saying they are cutting the rates, well I have never ran into a Mexican Owner Operator yet that will haul freight cheaper than the farmer will.

Just park those trucks in your nice machine shed until planting season. You don't see me running out an buying land to start farming do you? I have sat buy and been very nice about this but when I saw trucks sitting in the Flying J today with farm tags pulling dry vans, and flat beds that they had rented, I realized real fast what was going on, if you don't know how to manage your farm then why in the heck are you trying to manage trucks?
Replied on Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 07:11 AM CST
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I don't really think that last message was called for, but that's okay. So now because I farm I'm not allowed to have a commercial truck? Been doing this for a few years already and you're the first person that has gotten mad about it. Thanks for the lesson in economics
Replied on Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 07:41 AM CST
Originally Posted by: AARON ITZEN
Quote: "I don't really think that last message was called for, but that's okay. So now because I farm I'm not allowed to have a commercial truck? Been doing this for a few years already and you're the first person that has gotten mad about it. Thanks for the lesson in economics "

I apologize for being a little testy. Yesterday like I said in my earlier posting, there were quite a few of you farmers with dry vans and flat beds at the Flying J. When I started talking to them about why they were out here freighthauling their answer was, gotta keep my hands busy. Hmm you don't have enought work on you farm to keep them busy? They were running loads from KC to St Louis for $350.00 - $400.00, here is where the problem lies. Their insurance is far cheaper than mine, they pay their hands far less than I pay mine, their trucks (except for a couple of them) were way older than mine, the trailers were from back in the early ninties (looked like major crap). This lane usually runs for $550.00 - $700.00 each way, been running that lane off and on for 5 years and have never seen it this cheap until recently. No Mexicans up here driving around bud.

This reminds me of when I was a kid back in the eighties and I worked for a farmer in Osborn, MO as one of his hands. Most of the farmers around him were high in debt and running on margin each and every year. When the market busted for them they were out saddling up their trucks and running for a little of nothing, within a few months their equipment was shot and they were being forclosed on by the banks. I understand very well the plight we are in, the thing I learned from my farmer boss at the time was this. He had money saved back and started buying up those other farms and expanded his farming business, he hired most of the original farmers and their hands to run his aquisistions, he managed them very effectively by not allowing them to engage in margins. He did not allow them to run their equipment for anything except farm use. He explained to me that the others misused the opportunity that God had given them and when times where good they forgot to set aside for the bad times. I realize how hard you guys work to make just $35,000 a year clear (and sometimes not even that) but please don't take down another market as well just because your main resource is sucking right now. If you want to be a trucking company, then activate your Interstate authority, pay the higher cost, tell your hands that when planting season comes up they can go back to being home every night. Otherwise put them in the Machine Shed!

Truckers should run truck
Farmers should farm

We don't get any subsidies for running our trucks can you say the same about your farm?
Replied on Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 07:49 AM CST
I farm and have commercial trucks. But I keep it separate as possible. Farm trucks have farm tags and stay on farm. Pull out of field to our bins or to local elevator. I usually drive them my self or if you of my drivers gets in he's an hourly employe of the farm. My other trucks will pull out of field sometimes and the farm pays the trucking company. Now there's nobody else jumping up and down to do this work so big deal there. Most times I have them off helping somebody else, while the old man runs the combine and I drive the farm trucks. We don't run freight anyways. The ones that get me are the guys with farm tags out there running for hire every day. Which is illegal, and runs the prices down. I Will not allow any truck with farm tags to load at my place and have run plenty off. I can't Believe this is the first time some ones been mad at you about it. I've seen it come to blows and sabotage of trucks. But like most the dot will catch on to you and it will bite you in the ass.
Replied on Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 07:54 AM CST
Alfred,
If you really did see farm plated trucks hauling with dry vans all you need to do is call the dot on them and they will come check out the load and the paperwork and if it doesn't have their name as the owner of the stuff they are hauling then they will get fined. Happened at an elevator here two years back. They pulled over trucks that had farm plates when they were leaving the elevator and if it didn't have their name on the ticket they fined them over $1000 first offense. As far as farmers having commercial plates and hauling there is nothing you can do about it. The company that they are hauling for is supposed to make sure who they hire has the required insurance if not then that company is also liable if something happens.
Replied on Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 07:56 AM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "I apologize for being a little testy. Yesterday like I said in my earlier posting, there were quite a few of you farmers with dry vans and flat beds at the Flying J. When I started talking to them about why they were out here freighthauling their answer was, gotta keep my hands busy. Hmm you don't have enought work on you farm to keep them busy? They were running loads from KC to St Louis for $350.00 - $400.00, here is where the problem lies. Their insurance is far cheaper than mine, they pay their hands far less than I pay mine, their trucks (except for a couple of them) were way older than mine, the trailers were from back in the early ninties (looked like major crap). This lane usually runs for $550.00 - $700.00 each way, been running that lane off and on for 5 years and have never seen it this cheap until recently. No Mexicans up here driving around bud. This reminds me of when I was a kid back in the eighties and I worked for a farmer in Osborn, MO as one of his hands. Most of the farmers around him were high in debt and running on margin each and every year. When the market busted for them they were out saddling up their trucks and running for a little of nothing, within a few months their equipment was shot and they were being forclosed on by the banks. I understand very well the plight we are in, the thing I learned from my farmer boss at the time was this. He had money saved back and started buying up those other farms and expanded his farming business, he hired most of the original farmers and their hands to run his aquisistions, he managed them very effectively by not allowing them to engage in margins. He did not allow them to run their equipment for anything except farm use. He explained to me that the others misused the opportunity that God had given them and when times where good they forgot to set aside for the bad times. I realize how hard you guys work to make just $35,000 a year clear (and sometimes not even that) but please don't take down another market as well just because your main resource is sucking right now. If you want to be a trucking company, then activate your Interstate authority, pay the higher cost, tell your hands that when planting season comes up they can go back to being home every night. Otherwise put them in the Machine Shed! Truckers should run truck Farmers should farm We don't get any subsidies for running our trucks can you say the same about your farm?"

I applied for my Authority yesterday morning. I guess about the only thing I can say to defend myself (which I'm not quite sure why I should have to) is I don't have hired men driving my one truck operation. It is me, myself and I. Same goes with the farm, there is no hired men. There are a few posters on this forum that know me and the business I run, if they want to speak up that is fine and if not that is fine too. I own and operate a seed business and have loads of seed I need to pick up and was looking for a load to get me in the vicinity of where I need to go. I will no run cheap freight this is why I've been parked the last two weeks. I don't need to run cheap freight to make a dollar. I run a truck because I have always ran a truck, it is what got me through school. It is what I went to school for. I have not gotten my authority because I didn't feel like I needed it to put grain in a trailer and move it from point A to B. I realize I need it to haul seed so I applied for it and will now be "a big boy" as it was said to me yesterday by a trucker friend of mine. Sorry if I ruffled your feathers Alfred but I'm not out here to hurt you or anyone else. We're all in this together.
Replied on Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 08:00 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: DANIEL CORBIN
Quote: "I farm and have commercial trucks. But I keep it separate as possible. Farm trucks have farm tags and stay on farm. Pull out of field to our bins or to local elevator. I usually drive them my self or if you of my drivers gets in he's an hourly employe of the farm. My other trucks will pull out of field sometimes and the farm pays the trucking company. Now there's nobody else jumping up and down to do this work so big deal there. Most times I have them off helping somebody else, while the old man runs the combine and I drive the farm trucks. We don't run freight anyways. The ones that get me are the guys with farm tags out there running for hire every day. Which is illegal, and runs the prices down. I Will not allow any truck with farm tags to load at my place and have run plenty off. I can't Believe this is the first time some ones been mad at you about it. I've seen it come to blows and sabotage of trucks. But like most the dot will catch on to you and it will bite you in the ass."

Again, I don't know why I'm being chastised about this. I'm apportioned power plated. Carry a million liability, cargo and everything else just like the rest. My farm trucks are farm trucks and that is it. Because I don't have authority I'm instantly doing things illegal?
Replied on Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 08:31 AM CST
I guess I will apologize. I assumed you were running farm tags.
Replied on Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 08:38 AM CST
You have to have the insurance just to get the plate. Same coverages just with no federal filing its have the cost. And I've never had anybody want more insurance then what we all ready had.
Replied on Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 08:43 AM CST
Originally Posted by: AARON ITZEN
Quote: "Again, I don't know why I'm being chastised about this. I'm apportioned power plated. Carry a million liability, cargo and everything else just like the rest. My farm trucks are farm trucks and that is it. Because I don't have authority I'm instantly doing things illegal? "

Just making sure you are doing it the right way. When I went to Safer web you did not have an authority authoization, nor an insurance certificate posted. Now that you have explained that, welcome aboard once your authority goes active and your insurance is in place you will be able to run full throttle. If you have any questions feel free to email me at [email protected] I like a man that stands up for himself, and like you said we should all be working together and not against each other.

My neighbor has six trucks, 4 withfarm tags parked right now, 2 apportioned and running dry vans and he is saying the same thing I am. Sit on the grain, wait until the market comes back, sell the grain, if not just take the loss and move on. There are others out here running with farm tags, and normally I would call the DOT on them, but I also understand the need to survive and don't want to bite the hand that feeds us when hoppers are runnning good.

This does not make it any easier for me to understand how those that receive subsidies from our government can't get it. When you take any money from the government you in effect have sold out to them, and now allow them to dictate to you what you can and can not do. Much like those that are on welfare.

Aaron the reason so many of us are pissed about this is because we pay the extra cost and most that run farm tags do not.


Replied on Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 08:46 AM CST
Originally Posted by: AARON ITZEN
Quote: "Again, I don't know why I'm being chastised about this. I'm apportioned power plated. Carry a million liability, cargo and everything else just like the rest. My farm trucks are farm trucks and that is it. Because I don't have authority I'm instantly doing things illegal? "

Here is the question for you, how much would you charge for a dry van to go from Omaha, NE to Alliance, NE?
Replied on Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 10:38 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "Here is the question for you, how much would you charge for a dry van to go from Omaha, NE to Alliance, NE?"

Don't worry Scott whatever he thinks he needs to make and doesn't I will pay him the difference because I am making so much money as a trucker right now I just want to give it to everybody
Replied on Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 11:41 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "I apologize for being a little testy. Yesterday like I said in my earlier posting, there were quite a few of you farmers with dry vans and flat beds at the Flying J. When I started talking to them about why they were out here freighthauling their answer was, gotta keep my hands busy. Hmm you don't have enought work on you farm to keep them busy? They were running loads from KC to St Louis for $350.00 - $400.00, here is where the problem lies. Their insurance is far cheaper than mine, they pay their hands far less than I pay mine, their trucks (except for a couple of them) were way older than mine, the trailers were from back in the early ninties (looked like major crap). This lane usually runs for $550.00 - $700.00 each way, been running that lane off and on for 5 years and have never seen it this cheap until recently. No Mexicans up here driving around bud. This reminds me of when I was a kid back in the eighties and I worked for a farmer in Osborn, MO as one of his hands. Most of the farmers around him were high in debt and running on margin each and every year. When the market busted for them they were out saddling up their trucks and running for a little of nothing, within a few months their equipment was shot and they were being forclosed on by the banks. I understand very well the plight we are in, the thing I learned from my farmer boss at the time was this. He had money saved back and started buying up those other farms and expanded his farming business, he hired most of the original farmers and their hands to run his aquisistions, he managed them very effectively by not allowing them to engage in margins. He did not allow them to run their equipment for anything except farm use. He explained to me that the others misused the opportunity that God had given them and when times where good they forgot to set aside for the bad times. I realize how hard you guys work to make just $35,000 a year clear (and sometimes not even that) but please don't take down another market as well just because your main resource is sucking right now. If you want to be a trucking company, then activate your Interstate authority, pay the higher cost, tell your hands that when planting season comes up they can go back to being home every night. Otherwise put them in the Machine Shed! Truckers should run truck Farmers should farm We don't get any subsidies for running our trucks can you say the same about your farm?"

i use lots of owner operators that farm as well, they do quite well on my bulk loads and they ain;t all that cheap cause they know how to run a truck and what it costs. there are no subsidies for them only that they save money hauling their own to the processor, the only way these young dudes can get into the business is if you and i help them out. they take maybe a month off the whole year to do their farm stuff so i am quite grateful i have them cause they will go anywhere others won;t and for a decent price. maybe canada is different but the ones that don't know how to run don;t last so that kinda solves the problem right there. i would worry more about the oil guys driving rates down not the one off farm dudes. i would rather have a farm background guy loading my loads than someone who doesn't know how to read a guage, just my opinion. i am gonna call bs on the idea that truckers can;t be farmers and vice versa.

Replied on Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 12:44 PM CST
Originally Posted by: NANCY HARDER
Quote: "i use lots of owner operators that farm as well, they do quite well on my bulk loads and they ain;t all that cheap cause they know how to run a truck and what it costs. there are no subsidies for them only that they save money hauling their own to the processor, the only way these young dudes can get into the business is if you and i help them out. they take maybe a month off the whole year to do their farm stuff so i am quite grateful i have them cause they will go anywhere others won;t and for a decent price. maybe canada is different but the ones that don't know how to run don;t last so that kinda solves the problem right there. i would worry more about the oil guys driving rates down not the one off farm dudes. i would rather have a farm background guy loading my loads than someone who doesn't know how to read a guage, just my opinion. i am gonna call bs on the idea that truckers can;t be farmers and vice versa. "

I argee with you for once. I know lots of guys that are true O/O that truck and farm. But there not out there doing it on farm tags. Tough that is how a lot start incuding myself, then we want bigger and better loads so we got right. The ones we have problems with are the big out fits that run 3-4 trucks with farm tags. Not hauling there own product to market but loading at the elivator and being sent out to farms to load, or at the mills. And im not talking about hired hands driving truck in off season, i meen every day full time trucking. When im here on the farm and joe blow big time wants to run up my rent, and then my drivers have to deal with his trucks it just rubs me the wrong way.

Replied on Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 03:12 PM CST
Originally Posted by: AARON ITZEN
Quote: "I applied for my Authority yesterday morning. I guess about the only thing I can say to defend myself (which I'm not quite sure why I should have to) is I don't have hired men driving my one truck operation. It is me, myself and I. Same goes with the farm, there is no hired men. There are a few posters on this forum that know me and the business I run, if they want to speak up that is fine and if not that is fine too. I own and operate a seed business and have loads of seed I need to pick up and was looking for a load to get me in the vicinity of where I need to go. I will no run cheap freight this is why I've been parked the last two weeks. I don't need to run cheap freight to make a dollar. I run a truck because I have always ran a truck, it is what got me through school. It is what I went to school for. I have not gotten my authority because I didn't feel like I needed it to put grain in a trailer and move it from point A to B. I realize I need it to haul seed so I applied for it and will now be "a big boy" as it was said to me yesterday by a trucker friend of mine. Sorry if I ruffled your feathers Alfred but I'm not out here to hurt you or anyone else. We're all in this together."

Well in my area we have the problem with a few running county commercial and going out of there boundaries and going over state lines without ifta and really Srewing us on our local rates so what do we do?????????????????
Replied on Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 04:22 PM CST
Originally Posted by: GLENN SELLHORST
Quote: "Well in my area we have the problem with a few running county commercial and going out of there boundaries and going over state lines without ifta and really Srewing us on our local rates so what do we do?????????????????"

County commercial trucks can go out of state if they buy permits. If they aren't buying them turn them in by calling the state dot in the state they are running in. They will check to see if they have proper permits.
Replied on Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 06:35 PM CST
Originally Posted by: GLENN SELLHORST
Quote: "Well in my area we have the problem with a few running county commercial and going out of there boundaries and going over state lines without ifta and really Srewing us on our local rates so what do we do?????????????????"

We have that problem here too Being so close to the Kansas boarder. Its going to get worse before it gets better. About all I can say is keep doing what you're doing and the weak will disappear. I got started back in 2008 pworking for a local company when fuel was suppose to break every idependent and small operation there was in the nation and here we are in 2015 still going. I don't like the Nebraska county commercial deal what so ever. If you're going to haul commercial do it like everyone else has had to do before you.
Replied on Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 07:59 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: CLINT WEYHRICH
Quote: "County commercial trucks can go out of state if they buy permits. If they aren't buying them turn them in by calling the state dot in the state they are running in. They will check to see if they have proper permits."

Used to have a rock bucket for my construction company, people would call all the time wanting us to haul rock for them cheaper than the guys that did it all the time. We only had the one dump truck to haul our dozer, hoe, skit steer, etc. and our own dirt and rock. Had BL 70 tags on it, not supposed to cross over into Ks unless it was for one of our personal jobs. When things were booming instead of people wanting us to haul rock for them cheaper than the Union companies, they were willing to pay us more because we could do it today. I really don't understand this whoring yourself for so cheap. If I have to prostitute myself out I want to be paid like Heidi Fliess.
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 07:12 PM CST
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Alfred Jordan if it wasn't for the farmer you or any other truck driver or Trucking company would exist. Your like the people that bitch about the farmer producing good quality for the public but cuss us out with your mouthful. I farm and run truck i do what it takes to keep the farm going. I see no problem I a farmer running a truck. Just living the American Dream.
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 07:19 PM CST
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Also your post about subsides there are none for the farmer. Our good ole President made sure of that. but ups the welfare recipients checks. If you spent more of your time running your business or driving you wouldn't have time on your hands to complain on this forum.
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 07:31 PM CST
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Lmao !!
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 07:41 PM CST
Thanks
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 07:45 PM CST
I was waiting for somebody else to say it first

Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 07:47 PM CST
Originally Posted by: KEENAN KELLEY
Quote: "Also your post about subsides there are none for the farmer. Our good ole President made sure of that. but ups the welfare recipients checks. If you spent more of your time running your business or driving you wouldn't have time on your hands to complain on this forum."

Yep you are right Keenan I don't spend enough time running my business. That is what I do each and every day, I have multiple trucks running, and most of the stuff we haul does not come off of farms. We have a hopper sure, and that does deal with the farms. My comment was not directed at farmers that are trucking the right way but at farmers that are trucking the wrong way. I checked your credintials and you seem to at least wise be attempting to do it the right way.

Subsidies paid to farmers each for year 2015 148 B, site: http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/agriculture so if you did not get your share of that, quit bitching at me because it is indeed still there. Those people that you were bitching about on welfare, well I believe that get food stamps do they not? That would help you sir, again a double dip subsidy. I do taxes as well and see the huge discounts and write offs you guys get so sell your BS to somebody else. If you did not get such things then who in their right mind would want to bust their ass each and every day to only clear $35 K a year. The farmer and the trucker are in the same plight here, we the trucker are not out undercutting the price of your grain, that would be the shippers, brokers, buyers and the crappy market that we are in. I may have ruffled your feathers by my comment and good I acomplished what I was trying to do, get a valid response from a good ol country boy like myself.

As far as complaining I don't believe that telling the truth should ever be considered complaining. Maybe you like being lied to, I don't. I used to sell tractors and combines at a Case IH dealer here locally so I know a lot more about the finance side of farming than you may think. I am not here to battle against the hard working farmer or any other hard working American for that matter. I stated earlier in this posting that I did not want to bite the hand that feeds us, or did you not read that? Maybe if you spent a little more time actually reading and digesting the truth then you would respond back with a well thought out debate vs. just slinging mud at me.

By the way much respect from me to you for calling me out by my name. It takes a real man to do that.
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 07:51 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: CLINT WEYHRICH
Quote: "I was waiting for somebody else to say it first "

I too have been waiting, I thought he did a pretty good job. LMAO
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 08:18 PM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "I too have been waiting, I thought he did a pretty good job. LMAO"

Did you guys get a chance to watch that video in that attachment? I have been being nice about the $35,000 a year, the statistics show that to be the low side for a farmer. The average income is more like $87,000 per year, so you can understand now why truckers who bust their ass an entire year with no subsidies to aid them get a little upset when those that receive subsidies come in and cut the rate market down.

Just think of it like this, it would be like somebody on welfare or disability from construction, working on the side for half the amount because they receive their subsidy from the government. That used to piss me off so much and still does, when we had a construction company and welfare drawers and farmers (the part timers) would go and build houses on the side. I don't want your guys farms, trust me, I am more a rancher type of guy. I always loved working with the critters, and the ranchers always paid better than the farmers. Once again these are truths, you can get mad at the truth, you can deny the truth, but at the end of the day the truth is indeed the truth. I have found that while it may piss people off in this PC world of ours, they still respect the truth.
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 08:27 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "Did you guys get a chance to watch that video in that attachment? I have been being nice about the $35,000 a year, the statistics show that to be the low side for a farmer. The average income is more like $87,000 per year, so you can understand now why truckers who bust their ass an entire year with no subsidies to aid them get a little upset when those that receive subsidies come in and cut the rate market down. Just think of it like this, it would be like somebody on welfare or disability from construction, working on the side for half the amount because they receive their subsidy from the government. That used to piss me off so much and still does, when we had a construction company and welfare drawers and farmers (the part timers) would go and build houses on the side. I don't want your guys farms, trust me, I am more a rancher type of guy. I always loved working with the critters, and the ranchers always paid better than the farmers. Once again these are truths, you can get mad at the truth, you can deny the truth, but at the end of the day the truth is indeed the truth. I have found that while it may piss people off in this PC world of ours, they still respect the truth."

Well Alfred enough said you know it all!!!!!!!!! and suppose your..... don't stink either. Know that's some funny Shit....
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 08:28 PM CST
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Unless you haul some thing made entirely out of steel or wood, who do think loads the vans or reefers. We as bulk haulers get shit all the time from the freight shakers as we blow by them on the road. Get called dumb hicks, ect. Get to hear all about how when they shut down the world will starve and what ever. We shut down and the world will starve!

And when I work all year to make 35k is the year I go to McDonald's. Shit I paid that in taxes last year!
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 08:30 PM CST
Originally Posted by: KEENAN KELLEY
Quote: "Also your post about subsides there are none for the farmer. Our good ole President made sure of that. but ups the welfare recipients checks. If you spent more of your time running your business or driving you wouldn't have time on your hands to complain on this forum."

Your crop insurance has price protection. Is that not a subsidy?
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 08:33 PM CST
Enough said I'll sit back and wait for my welfare check sorry my govt. assistants.
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 08:35 PM CST
You pay for crop insurance. And it depends on the coverage you pay for. If some body sold rate insurance you would buy it.
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 08:39 PM CST
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This is somewhat humorous although not really going to solve the issues we all face. This not only is about the truckers trying to eek out a living but the full time farmers, the farmers that's there with a couple trucks trying to fill in slow times with the farm. We need to quit acting like young boys feuding on the school yard waiting for a punch to be thrown and hoping they're more scared than you. If we all put our heads together and not allow buyers to buy so cheap, shippers and brokers to dictate to us what the rate will be to haul their products, we can come out ahead, but not if we allow them to pit us against each other. If we sit back and allow this they will be the winners. Let's use our heads and meet the real problem head on.
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 08:45 PM CST
Originally Posted by: KEENAN KELLEY
Quote: "Well Alfred enough said you know it all!!!!!!!!! and suppose your..... don't stink either. Know that's some funny Shit...."

No, Keenan my shit stinks about as bad as an old boar hog when he cuts loose? Daniel I know runs his trucks as a business, and his farm as a separate business. I don't farm but like I said we have the hopper as well. I personally enjoy running the hopper more then the freight hauler side of things. The whole purpose of me posting in the first place was to try and help the OP find a connection for dry vans up in NE. Imagine my surprise when I looked him up on the safer site and he was listed as private, not for hire, exempt. Let me ask you Keenan, you are listed as For Hire, Exempt for Hire, Private Property, and you have Interstate Authority, I would say that you are running your farming business as a farming business, and your trucking business as a trucking business is that not right?

It matters not what we haul as long as we do it right. We bitch about the Mega-Carriers having an unfair advantage and then right here we are discussing the very same thing on the other side of the coin. Farmers and Truckers should be working together not against each other, what is going to happen to the Bulk Trucker when the farmer goes down? He will go down with him. What is going to happen to the farmer if the Bulk Trucker goes down? He will go down with him, we need each other equally.

I would like to see you farmers make just as much money with your trucks as you do with your farms, but there are many out there running their trucks down the road at $1.00 per mile just to keep their hands busy, because their farms will absorb their trucking losses. Hope this makes sense, I think Daniel and others get it. A lot of my freinds are farmers and we have this discussion regularly and those that are in the business of farming agree, those that are part time farmers say that I am full of shit.
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 08:47 PM CST
Originally Posted by: STEVE GARRETT
Quote: "This is somewhat humorous although not really going to solve the issues we all face. This not only is about the truckers trying to eek out a living but the full time farmers, the farmers that's there with a couple trucks trying to fill in slow times with the farm. We need to quit acting like young boys feuding on the school yard waiting for a punch to be thrown and hoping they're more scared than you. If we all put our heads together and not allow buyers to buy so cheap, shippers and brokers to dictate to us what the rate will be to haul their products, we can come out ahead, but not if we allow them to pit us against each other. If we sit back and allow this they will be the winners. Let's use our heads and meet the real problem head on."

You beat me to it Steve, thanks
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 09:03 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DANIEL CORBIN
Quote: "You pay for crop insurance. And it depends on the coverage you pay for. If some body sold rate insurance you would buy it."

Daniel sign me up for some of that rate insurance, that's funny stuff there. That actually is a good idea.
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 09:05 PM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "No, Keenan my shit stinks about as bad as an old boar hog when he cuts loose? Daniel I know runs his trucks as a business, and his farm as a separate business. I don't farm but like I said we have the hopper as well. I personally enjoy running the hopper more then the freight hauler side of things. The whole purpose of me posting in the first place was to try and help the OP find a connection for dry vans up in NE. Imagine my surprise when I looked him up on the safer site and he was listed as private, not for hire, exempt. Let me ask you Keenan, you are listed as For Hire, Exempt for Hire, Private Property, and you have Interstate Authority, I would say that you are running your farming business as a farming business, and your trucking business as a trucking business is that not right? It matters not what we haul as long as we do it right. We bitch about the Mega-Carriers having an unfair advantage and then right here we are discussing the very same thing on the other side of the coin. Farmers and Truckers should be working together not against each other, what is going to happen to the Bulk Trucker when the farmer goes down? He will go down with him. What is going to happen to the farmer if the Bulk Trucker goes down? He will go down with him, we need each other equally. I would like to see you farmers make just as much money with your trucks as you do with your farms, but there are many out there running their trucks down the road at $1.00 per mile just to keep their hands busy, because their farms will absorb their trucking losses. Hope this makes sense, I think Daniel and others get it. A lot of my freinds are farmers and we have this discussion regularly and those that are in the business of farming agree, those that are part time farmers say that I am full of shit."

I'm with you Alfred 100%. We have to work together on the commodity side. Our business is tied in very close with the markets. As is our main customer is the farmer. Most of the loads we pull go from one farm to another. I will not bash on another farmer hualing his grain, ect. To market with farm tags. Even tough he maybe in the same line as me. The ones that get me are the guys with multiple trucks running farm tags hualing for hire. Of course we've proven time and again they can't hang with my drivers. And when the customer says " but so and so will do it for this price" I say good luck. And in the end their calling looking for trucks to move their grain.
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 09:09 PM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "Daniel sign me up for some of that rate insurance, that's funny stuff there. That actually is a good idea."

If the federal government tought enough about independent carrierss/truckers they would sell it.
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 09:11 PM CST
Same with the commercial fishermen. They would love some kind of backing. And I think they should get it.
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 09:15 PM CST
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I'm not picking sides, just in joy great humer.. Alfred has made this a great forum site, and we can agree to disagree sometimes
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 09:31 PM CST
Originally Posted by: TROY JEFFERS
Quote: "I'm not picking sides, just in joy great humer.. Alfred has made this a great forum site, and we can agree to disagree sometimes"

Thanks Troy, I don't expect anybody to pick sides it is a lose-lose situation right now. We all need to get on the same side. Farmers should and are allowed to move their own product to market. Last year I worked with a group locally and showed them how they could make more money paying me and my group to do it for them. They kept their trucks running the fields and we moved it to market for them. I showed them how to take our price for freight and add it into the grain, win-win. That is what I am about creating win-win-win situations. Keenan is most likely a hard working man that is honest and is doing just what he says, trying to keep his farm above water right now. There are many on both sides of the fence right now, and the market has indeed tanked this last quarter, but prior to that the Mega-Grain companies were posting all time profits. We the truckers saw the rates per mile tank as early as Jan this year, and were told it is because the price of fuel is cheaper. The glut of oil has made it cheaper to make real fuel vs. bio-fuel, another hit to the farmer and the bulk hauler. The grains slowed down in shipment overseas due to the South American market rising up, another hit to the farmer and the bulk hauler. When our two industries start to slow down then it is a matter of time before the rest follow. The American people don't know what is about to hit them, we are seeing it first.

I have said it many times here, we better start working together willingly or we will end up working together by force. It is almost time for the force part to come into play.
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 09:33 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DANIEL CORBIN
Quote: "Same with the commercial fishermen. They would love some kind of backing. And I think they should get it."

Yeah, I know we have not put the boat into the water for the last two years in Alaska because it is so bad. We used to make around $75,000 clear for three weeks of fishing but the last year we did it we only made around $25,000 clear.
Replied on Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 09:27 PM CST
just come to idaho lots o farmers doing the same thing
at the local elevator the farmers got priority on the loads
Replied on Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 09:59 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DANIEL FERNANDEZ
Quote: "just come to idaho lots o farmers doing the same thing at the local elevator the farmers got priority on the loads"

Always been that way, and that I understand.
Replied on Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:37 AM CST
Originally Posted by: KEENAN KELLEY
Quote: "Also your post about subsides there are none for the farmer. Our good ole President made sure of that. but ups the welfare recipients checks. If you spent more of your time running your business or driving you wouldn't have time on your hands to complain on this forum."

Talked to a fella who farms about 100 acres and he said he is getting some sort of a check for $80.00 per acre
Replied on Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:15 PM CST
That isn't a subsidy. It is a payment through the farm program. Not everybody is in the farm program but the ones who are will get it. It varies by county and is mostly for corn farmers. It is to help counter the sudden price in corn. I am sure Alfred will say something along the lines of how the farmers are making all kinds of money now but considering a farmer who was once grossing $1200-$1500 an acre is now grossing $600-$750 an acre with inputs all the same except for fuel it really isn't that much and probably not going to help the ones locked in paying high rents and equipment costs.
Replied on Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 05:01 PM CST
Originally Posted by: CLINT WEYHRICH
Quote: "That isn't a subsidy. It is a payment through the farm program. Not everybody is in the farm program but the ones who are will get it. It varies by county and is mostly for corn farmers. It is to help counter the sudden price in corn. I am sure Alfred will say something along the lines of how the farmers are making all kinds of money now but considering a farmer who was once grossing $1200-$1500 an acre is now grossing $600-$750 an acre with inputs all the same except for fuel it really isn't that much and probably not going to help the ones locked in paying high rents and equipment costs. "

And when that happens in any other business, the business goes bankrupt.
Replied on Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 05:46 PM CST
Originally Posted by: CLINT WEYHRICH
Quote: "That isn't a subsidy. It is a payment through the farm program. Not everybody is in the farm program but the ones who are will get it. It varies by county and is mostly for corn farmers. It is to help counter the sudden price in corn. I am sure Alfred will say something along the lines of how the farmers are making all kinds of money now but considering a farmer who was once grossing $1200-$1500 an acre is now grossing $600-$750 an acre with inputs all the same except for fuel it really isn't that much and probably not going to help the ones locked in paying high rents and equipment costs. "

Clint, I don't believe I ever said the farmers were making all kinds of money from the subsidy programs, as a matter of fact most of the money ends up in pockets of those that don't farm at all. That is the sad part of the deal, people once again that don't do the work because they bought some land and named it a farm and sat back and collected money from doing so without ever planting or raising a thing. Farming and Ranching are hard ways of making money but they are rewarding. Most do it out of love for their job not the money in the first place. Just like the real trucker, they are not really in it for the money but for the love of their job. That being said and done it takes money to make all of our wheels go round. We truckers are just saying to you farmers don't sell yourself so cheap, just like a lot of us keep telling other truckers quit hauling that $1 per mile crap, leave it there. We have sat for a day and the next day the same load that was paying $1.00 per mile the day before is now paying $2.00 per mile the very next day. Patience is a virtue and also brings wisdom.

It sure would be nice if the government paid me for each truck I owned, similar to the per acre fee. Instead they charge me for each truck I own. $550.00 each heavy use tax, $75.00 each UCR tax, along with a slew full of others as well.
Replied on Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 06:24 PM CST
I didn't intend to start this sort of war, but it is what it is. I've got some decent stuff lined up for whenever my Authority become active and for the record I've been parked for going on two weeks now because I will not haul that $1 a mile freight. Hopefully after the new year I can park my hopper and move on to bigger and better things. Pulling a hopper or swinging doors is all I've ever known and I've never personally had it this bad. I hear talk of how bad it was back in 2008/2009. Back then I was driving for someone else and was very new to the industry. Sorry for the trouble.
Replied on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 02:19 PM CST
Originally Posted by: KEENAN KELLEY
Quote: "Also your post about subsides there are none for the farmer. Our good ole President made sure of that. but ups the welfare recipients checks. If you spent more of your time running your business or driving you wouldn't have time on your hands to complain on this forum."

YES IF THEY JUST GOT RID OF WELFARE FOODSTAMPS WIK SNAPP AND ALL THE OTHER INTIDELMENTS FOR OUR LAZY FAT ASS SOCIETY WE MIGHT NOT EVEN BE TALKING ABOUT THIS.
Replied on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 02:19 PM CST
Originally Posted by: KEENAN KELLEY
Quote: "Also your post about subsides there are none for the farmer. Our good ole President made sure of that. but ups the welfare recipients checks. If you spent more of your time running your business or driving you wouldn't have time on your hands to complain on this forum."

YES IF THEY JUST GOT RID OF WELFARE FOODSTAMPS WIK SNAPP AND ALL THE OTHER INTIDELMENTS FOR OUR LAZY FAT ASS SOCIETY WE MIGHT NOT EVEN BE TALKING ABOUT THIS.
Replied on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 02:31 PM CST
Originally Posted by: CHRISTOPHER STIER
Quote: "YES IF THEY JUST GOT RID OF WELFARE FOODSTAMPS WIK SNAPP AND ALL THE OTHER INTIDELMENTS FOR OUR LAZY FAT ASS SOCIETY WE MIGHT NOT EVEN BE TALKING ABOUT THIS. "

If your aunt had balls she would be your uncle too
Replied on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 03:29 PM CST
Originally Posted by: JASON WEAST
Quote: "If your aunt had balls she would be your uncle too"

the majority of the farm subsidy is going for foodstamps and to feed a non working class. Lets
Replied on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 03:29 PM CST
Originally Posted by: JASON WEAST
Quote: "If your aunt had balls she would be your uncle too"

the majority of the farm subsidy is going for foodstamps and to feed a non working class. Lets
Replied on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 07:15 PM CST
Originally Posted by: JASON WEAST
Quote: "If your aunt had balls she would be your uncle too"

would you please clarify on here without trying to be a smart BLANK TO EVERYONE. A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY MIGHT REALLY HAVE TO GET OFF THERE REARENDS REALLY WORK IF THEY GOT RID OF FARM SUBSIDY. ALSO THERE WOULD NOT BE THE BIDDING WARS THAT WE ARE HAVING FOR LAND AND NEIGHBORS FIGHTING NIEGHBORS FOR LAND. PERSONALLY JASON I REALLY DON'T SEE HOW YOU FIND CUSTOMERS WITH YOUR SMART BLANK ATTITUDE AND CHIP ON SHOULDER FROM OTHER POST I HAVE READ OF YOURS. ALFRED IS A MAN OF RESPECT ON HONOR ON HERE WHEN HE CHALLENGES SOMEBODY OR SOMETHING ON HERE AND HE ALSO RESPECTS PEOPLE THAT CHALLENGE HIM OR HIS IDEAS. I MIGHT NOT ALWAYS AGREE WITH HIS POINTS OF VIEW BUT I RESPECT HIM BECAUSE HE WAS A SOLDIER, ONE THING I NEVER DID.
Replied on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 07:39 PM CST
Well let's see if I can do this without being a smart blank. I hope we never get rid of subsidies we need people on welfare we need people in the poor house we need all the subsidies we can get it helps rotate the money where we need it we need people to stay on their fat ass and their lazy asses so those of us who work can still make the world go round simply because those people are not intelligent enough to make it all happen. as far as me getting accounts and what have you because of my smart ass in the way I talk to people wouldn't you like to know for starter I have been in the insurance salvage and the marine salvage and the auto salvage business for over 20 years I'm not your typical dumb trucker. I have also been in the repossession business of commercial equipment and commercial vehicles for over 10 years I get my accounts because of what I know and how I know business if you knew me in person you would think differently by how we talk on the computer but that's okay. I have been in the independent trucker business for 21 years as of September 19th this year. I am on my second authority due to a divorce so before you tell me how I get my customers because of my smart ass attitude you might want to think about it. I almost forgot I am currently working with a friend of mine who has a brokerage athority so I'm learning that business as well so I'm not going anywhere by the way I'm 43 years old. I hope that helps with my smart ass remarks and attitude
Replied on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 08:30 PM CST
Originally Posted by: JASON WEAST
Quote: "Well let's see if I can do this without being a smart blank. I hope we never get rid of subsidies we need people on welfare we need people in the poor house we need all the subsidies we can get it helps rotate the money where we need it we need people to stay on their fat ass and their lazy asses so those of us who work can still make the world go round simply because those people are not intelligent enough to make it all happen. as far as me getting accounts and what have you because of my smart ass in the way I talk to people wouldn't you like to know for starter I have been in the insurance salvage and the marine salvage and the auto salvage business for over 20 years I'm not your typical dumb trucker. I have also been in the repossession business of commercial equipment and commercial vehicles for over 10 years I get my accounts because of what I know and how I know business if you knew me in person you would think differently by how we talk on the computer but that's okay. I have been in the independent trucker business for 21 years as of September 19th this year. I am on my second authority due to a divorce so before you tell me how I get my customers because of my smart ass attitude you might want to think about it. I almost forgot I am currently working with a friend of mine who has a brokerage athority so I'm learning that business as well so I'm not going anywhere by the way I'm 43 years old. I hope that helps with my smart ass remarks and attitude"

I CAN SEE YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE BUSINESS SKILLS AND STREET SMARTS. I AM THE LAST THING FROM POLTICAL CORRECTNESS MYSELF BUT I GUESS I JUST GOT A LITTLE RUBBED THE WRONG WAY BY THE AUNT BALLS THING. YOU AND I PROBABLY GREW UP ABOUT THE SAME AND WERE TRAINED BY A HARD NOSED STUBBORN DAD I N HARD KNOCKS COLLEGE. LETS JUST ALL TRY AND BE BETTER GENTLEMEN.
Replied on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 08:50 PM CST
On that note, yes sir I can definitely respect that, I will try
Replied on Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 09:38 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: JASON WEAST
Quote: "Well let's see if I can do this without being a smart blank. I hope we never get rid of subsidies we need people on welfare we need people in the poor house we need all the subsidies we can get it helps rotate the money where we need it we need people to stay on their fat ass and their lazy asses so those of us who work can still make the world go round simply because those people are not intelligent enough to make it all happen. as far as me getting accounts and what have you because of my smart ass in the way I talk to people wouldn't you like to know for starter I have been in the insurance salvage and the marine salvage and the auto salvage business for over 20 years I'm not your typical dumb trucker. I have also been in the repossession business of commercial equipment and commercial vehicles for over 10 years I get my accounts because of what I know and how I know business if you knew me in person you would think differently by how we talk on the computer but that's okay. I have been in the independent trucker business for 21 years as of September 19th this year. I am on my second authority due to a divorce so before you tell me how I get my customers because of my smart ass attitude you might want to think about it. I almost forgot I am currently working with a friend of mine who has a brokerage athority so I'm learning that business as well so I'm not going anywhere by the way I'm 43 years old. I hope that helps with my smart ass remarks and attitude"

Let's see here. 43 years old and has been working for a total of 51 years?
Replied on Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 03:58 PM CST
Originally Posted by: WES CROSLOW
Quote: "Let's see here. 43 years old and has been working for a total of 51 years?"

Jason and I were brought up differently. WE CAN ACOMPLISH HAVING AT LEAST 2 OR MORE JOBS AT THE SAME TIME. ITS JUST SMART SURVIVAL SKILLS THAT WERE TAUGHT TO ME FROM MY PARENTS AND MOSTLY GRANDPARENTS THAT HAD TO LIVE THROUGH THE GREAT DEPRESSION AND WE KNOW HOW TO LIVE AND GET BY CHEAP WHERE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE NO CLUE.
Replied on Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 09:41 AM CST
yeah ok whatever
Replied on Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 11:06 AM CST
Originally Posted by: WES CROSLOW
Quote: "yeah ok whatever"

Sometimes when one takes the time to actually sit down with another and eat with them or work with them. You actually really get to know that person, I will tell you that Jason is one of those guys that if he said he did it he did. I agree with Chris, having worn many hats at the same time for a variety of jobs because nobody else wanted to do the extra work it might curtail. If I started adding up years of doing this and that, they would far outweigh my time on this earth. Does that mean that I did not actually do those things? I let my reputation speak for itself, those that have taken the time to stop by my place at Peculiar, or I at theirs know the truth. I have been to Jason's place and will vouch for what he says. Now we don't agree on everything but that is what makes us Independent Carriers, we both have our own approach as how to arrive at the same problem. He may come off rough at times, but so do I, we both grew up having to work for everything we have. Excuse us for having a little self-pride in what we do. Jason like I does not do anything half ass we are full throttle all the way in whatever business ventures we are involved in. We both just so happen to love the lifestyle, freedom, and fun that trucking offers us. Many wonder how we keep customers by being somewhat abrasive, the anser is service, service, service. If Jason or I say we are going to do it, it gets done. Believe it or not people are still willing to pay for that.
Replied on Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 08:39 PM CST
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Replied on Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 07:06 PM CST
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Nice discussion, but all of us need to realize the whoring out part of farm subs...if you need it you are over supplying. And what about the subs when corn was $7.00 plus? Our great ole railroads are all getting subs, so let's raise all kinds of heck about that you all. Thx Obama. You still suck like a dyson.
Replied on Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 07:23 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: DAVE NICKEL
Quote: "Nice discussion, but all of us need to realize the whoring out part of farm subs...if you need it you are over supplying. And what about the subs when corn was $7.00 plus? Our great ole railroads are all getting subs, so let's raise all kinds of heck about that you all. Thx Obama. You still suck like a dyson."

And we all know how much a dyson can suck, suck, suck, suck, and keep sucking until you turn it off. I believe Obummer would still keep a sucking even after he was shut off. Man I can't wait until this year and the next is over, at least wise after next year I won't have to watch Obummer run around the world sucking up to everybody else and telling them how bad we Americans suck. The only one that really sucks is Obummer.
Replied on Wed, Jan 06, 2016 at 02:57 PM CST
Hello I am a broker and I read you are a farmer I would like to assist you in finding drivers or moving your loads for your cargo. Please contact me
Replied on Wed, Jan 06, 2016 at 09:55 PM CST
How would he accomplish that? No phone number, e mail.
Replied on Wed, Jan 06, 2016 at 10:01 PM CST
I have a full load of balsa wood that needs hauled 100 miles, load pays me 75 dollars flat. Any trucks avalible?