Bad Rates

ITS GOING TO GET WORSE BUT HOW DO YOU GET THESE BROKERS TO CUT LOOSE MORE $ OR FUEL SURCHARGE? I SEE BIG TROUBLE COMMING IM TRING TO GET FUEL SURCHARGE BUT ITS HARD WITH PEOPLE STILL GIVIN CHARITY WORK OUT.

Really? No one gonna talk to me?

Who says that rates will come up, even with fuel? Our fuel guy is locking in prices for 2022. Rates have been garbage since the last time they needed trucks because of the capacity shortage in rail. If rates do come up, it sure won't be because of truckers and brokers saying no to cheap freight. PPP loans came out, when the spot market was smoking, and what happened? Every blockhead pulled out their labor cost on their cost per mile, and tried to lock in freight at crazy low level, just so they could keep moving. The only thing that will move rates higher will be increased demand. God knows that this industry can't make that happen for themselves.

Look at me with incorrect spelling..So much for proof reading..LOL

Have 15 million lbs canola pulling doubles 80000 in the box. Was offered 1.25cwt. Pulled 2 loads 158000 off farm. Asked for 1.50 cwt to cover fuel going up every week

broker said nope. Canola is in the bin

Stop hauling loads for these brokers who repost the other brokers loads for alot less. To watch these same brokers expand and add more dispatchers is frustrating. They consume majority of the loads posted. It's easy to figure out who these brokers are...I don't haul for them. I dont see how any driver can afford to stay in business. These brokers are quick to put OO / small fleets out of business. Fight fire with fire.

I suppose most of these guys are getting 3.00 per mile? 150 miles= $450 0r 900 bushels=.50 cents /bu....... 300 miles divided by 7 mi/gal x 2.90/ gal = $125 in fuel + $40 maint + $30 in food and drink like most do + $75 in 1 days worth of INS.. 450- 270= $180 net/ 7hrs in work.. 450- 90 in income taxes = 360-270 in exenses = $90 for 7 hrs of work = $12/hr...WTH this dont feed babies very well..... And my equpment is paid for! And yes thier is alot of tax deductions..

I drive a 93 IH eagle and a 97 frehauf step deck....Yes headaches galore But iive in small town farm country and can get help getting shi*t fixed chaply and correctly...Guess what new stuff is super duper headaches galore and need the extra big check book....Just saying Sir..

Everyone needs to remember the loads on the board are the left overs after everyone else gets done. If it is posted on the board there is a reason that the normal carriers didn't take it. You need to develop accounts over a course of time.

Just my opinion, if you are a one or two truck operation, hook up with a 20-30 truck operation in the area. They have the pull to demand higher rates, and have already done the leg work to devolop the accounts. Even after the percentage they take you will more then likely be making more money then going at it alone, especially if trying to stay local.

"I found most loads , no matter the distance are paying s little over 2.00 Not worth hauling unless you can get 2 a day and that is almost impossible since most places close between 4:00 and 5."

Make it up on volume...ehh? My calculator works differently I guess.

Get a job you deadbeat. Then you can go to school and learn to spell. You will also be able to get a cdl and haul in the lucrative big money bulk industry.

Disclaimer : Some or all of this stement may be absolute bull****

My sh** cost 5,500k a month for truck/trailer and trailer /cargo ins. Plus fuel , maintenance etc. Then house, food, booze ,hookers, dog bones, over weight tickets etc.......

And Bartlett wants to pay 1.51 a mile ?

Gavilon, 1.91 a mile ?

Not in my truck.

Broker A was likely the lowest bidder to the original customer, Broker B bid higher, but will not get as much volume of freight over time.

Your rates must have been too low before then cause in the Midwest the traders and brokers are thinking 2.50 per loaded mile is something to brag about. Used to be a hopper could get paid to go back empty since it's a specialized deal with nothing in the area to get back to your starting point. And I don't mean the house. Now the ones who are trying to control the freight market has the loads packaged together almost that pay less for both than what the original load used to pay.

My old Detroit get 7-7.5 as I dont load it to 80,000..I usually weight under 50,000 hauling tractors....I think the high horse power older Cats get around 5-6 mpg..And the newest trucks I think get 7-9 mpg.... Im not to far off on these numbers..

if you are going to finance most of that $230,000 then you certainly better reconsider hauling hopper bottom then. I am hauling Hopper bottom loads locally but I have an older Pete 379 with a mechanical engine that is paid for and a new Timpte hopper bottom that is also paid for. I also have a construction business that I have had for 27 years that paid for this rig and now as a side hussle I sell small construction jobs and I have a sub-crew that comes and does the work for me while I am out hauling grain and feed ingredients. You are not going to get rich hauling Hopper bottom freight but you can make a decent living doing it. Just don't strap yourself down with a huge payment every month for a brand new rig.

I hear ya guys, I hear ya....

Kinda that way,if you're in business you can't afford to get out and if you're not, you can't afford to get in. I think a lot of it is the guys using the trucks to cash flow something else like the farm or another side line. They keep revenue circulating, not actually making money. They have hired help and put more trucks on the road like the big freight guy's just to keep the revenue up. You know the"if the wheels ain't turning,it ain't earning" crowd. That mindset of hauling grain without a dollar sign in front of the decimal is what's breaking them. Forget the shorthaul stuff.

Exactly right.. If you can't make it on the first one, the next 99 are losers too. You are only trading miles for dollars at that point and when the truck is done so are you..