CH Roberson

Feb 12, 2020 at 02:22 PM CST + 13 - 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. On the bulk load forum and news stories one reads the news for facts and the trucker forums for information in our day today operations often with misinformation. There is the news story about CH robbing from produce farmers for years and possibly blaming it on trucking rates which there is no transparency . I hauled for CH when it was CH himself running the show from an office in the St Louis, and every one that I knew at the time complained about his tactics even at the time but he had one thing going for him, if you hauled produce into the St Louis market when you finally got unloaded you could present your bills to CH and get paid on the spot. Years later I signed up to haul for the new CH Roberson but never hauled a load for them, every time I called on a load from them something just didn’t smell good. Now that there is good evidence out there that Roberson has been screwing the trucking industry along with the farmers you guys that try to be the big cheeses in the forum with a bunch of ill informed people that are new to trucking or haven’t been in business long enough to know who the real thieves are. Now is your chance to show your stuff in a real bad situation. Most truckers have hauled for the new CH Roberson if you knew it or not, their dirty fingers touch all most every facet of transportation. Have seen many comments about TQL. I would venture to say TQL can’t hold a candle to CH Roberson

Replied on Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 04:23 PM CST + 3 - 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. This board is heavily skewed towards the brokers. Post something negative and watch the downvotes flow like rain. They don't take kindly to remarks that show them in a bad light regardless if it's true or not.

Replied on Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 04:24 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. For the record, I've never had a problem with CHR just like I've never had an issue with TQL. Why? Because I always make sure I get my accessorial policy agreed to in writing every time along with a rate I'm happy with. This way, no matter what happens I'm covered and I always bring my best service to the table accordingly to show they're getting what they pay for. When my truck is posted they blow my phone up and I say, "no" to 97 percent of it. Lots of the loads I've hauled for them have been problem childs too but the rate and accessorials have made it a win-win for both sides. They have an issue that needs rectified and are always willing to pay so I do my best to fix it for them and make it happen. Most of the issues I hear about are because the carrier didn't cover their bases. If you give most brokers an inch they will take you a mile. It's the nature of their business since they're out to make money. They're never going to offer you any accessorials at a fair rate (if ever at all for that matter) on their own. You have to stand your ground and tell them to kick rocks if you can't get what you need. Let's face it, 90 percent of loadboard freight is either cheap trash that nobody wants and/or it's problematic headache freight that nobody wants so it's not going to pay well either. The last ten percent is something a broker needs covered ASAP due to carrier fall out of some other catastrophic issue. If you learn to tell the difference you'll be able to get your terms met much more easily regardless of the brokerage. One thing I will say too is that I won't run for any brokerage with a credit score of less that 95 on DAT.

Replied on Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 04:24 PM CST

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For the record, I've never had a problem with CHR just like I've never had an issue with TQL. Why? Because I always make sure I get my accessorial policy agreed to in writing every time along with a rate I'm happy with. This way, no matter what happens I'm covered and I always bring my best service to the table accordingly to show they're getting what they pay for. When my truck is posted they blow my phone up and I say, "no" to 97 percent of it. Lots of the loads I've hauled for them have been problem childs too but the rate and accessorials have made it a win-win for both sides. They have an issue that needs rectified and are always willing to pay so I do my best to fix it for them and make it happen. Most of the issues I hear about are because the carrier didn't cover their bases. If you give most brokers an inch they will take you a mile. It's the nature of their business since they're out to make money. They're never going to offer you any accessorials at a fair rate (if ever at all for that matter) on their own. You have to stand your ground and tell them to kick rocks if you can't get what you need. Let's face it, 90 percent of loadboard freight is either cheap trash that nobody wants and/or it's problematic headache freight that nobody wants so it's not going to pay well either. The last ten percent is something a broker needs covered ASAP due to carrier fall out of some other catastrophic issue. If you learn to tell the difference you'll be able to get your terms met much more easily regardless of the brokerage. One thing I will say too is that I won't run for any brokerage with a credit score of less that 95 on DAT.

Replied on Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 11:57 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "This board is heavily skewed towards the brokers. Post something negative and watch the downvotes flow like rain. They don't take kindly to remarks that show them in a bad light regardless if it's true or not. " so what about all the carriers that create their own brokerages and offer their owner ops a discounted rate or broker to others? there are many. many of them.

Replied on Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 11:57 AM CST

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Quote: "This board is heavily skewed towards the brokers. Post something negative and watch the downvotes flow like rain. They don't take kindly to remarks that show them in a bad light regardless if it's true or not. "

so what about all the carriers that create their own brokerages and offer their owner ops a discounted rate or broker to others? there are many. many of them.

Replied on Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 12:18 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "so what about all the carriers that create their own brokerages and offer their owner ops a discounted rate or broker to others? there are many. many of them." Not sure how to answer that one. I guess if everyone's happy then great. It's a symbiostic relationship after all.

Replied on Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 01:19 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "so what about all the carriers that create their own brokerages and offer their owner ops a discounted rate or broker to others? there are many. many of them." You're absolutely correct Nancy, there are so many of these in Canada that it's not even funny.

Replied on Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 03:54 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. There are reasons to set up a brokerage as a carrier,the most important is to protect your company.If for some reason somebody comes after you IE:ambulance chasers you have 2 seperate entities and,and they cant completely wipe you out also there are tax advantages to doing it just to name a few reasons.Not all of us are out here to screw everybody,as rare as it is there are still ethics in business for some of us.

Replied on Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 03:54 PM CST

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There are reasons to set up a brokerage as a carrier,the most important is to protect your company.If for some reason somebody comes after you IE:ambulance chasers you have 2 seperate entities and,and they cant completely wipe you out also there are tax advantages to doing it just to name a few reasons.Not all of us are out here to screw everybody,as rare as it is there are still ethics in business for some of us.

Replied on Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 08:06 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Looks like none of you can get past , I and me , and maybe cannot read the article about CH Robersons , alleged scams , which because of their size could impact many produce farmers and every one in the transport business, ships , planes , trains and of course the Lowly little truck driver. This is not just someone not getting paid for one load . You all need to change your I’s and me’s to WE . If Roberson is found guilty in this one Billion plus lawsuit that they have being up front with any of their business and how many of you bought right in . Could name places that Roberson controlled the fright rate even when WE didn’t haul for them, one of our hauls is dry bulk cement and had it on good Authority that Roberson was even trying to cut in on it. When a company is allowed to reach the size of CH Roberson please realize that they are going to have an negative effect on most every business they touch. If Roberson is found guilty of ripping the produce farmers for over one billion dollars it looks like it will open the door for many more lawsuits and maybe Bankruptcy as just a business tool. Even General Motors went bankrupt and how many of you were touched by that even truck drivers didn’t get paid. But many of you I’s and me’s still wait in line to get the latest GMC pickup. Am sure that am just wasting time , but have quite a bit of it right now, warning you all about CH Roberson as all of you I’s and Me’s are like a ostrich with his head stuck in the sand. If any one responds to my comments at least first educate yourself by reading the news that Bulk Loads is so kind as to furnish with out any additional charge

Replied on Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 08:06 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Looks like none of you can get past , I and me , and maybe cannot read the article about CH Robersons , alleged scams , which because of their size could impact many produce farmers and every one in the transport business, ships , planes , trains and of course the Lowly little truck driver. This is not just someone not getting paid for one load . You all need to change your I’s and me’s to WE . If Roberson is found guilty in this one Billion plus lawsuit that they have being up front with any of their business and how many of you bought right in . Could name places that Roberson controlled the fright rate even when WE didn’t haul for them, one of our hauls is dry bulk cement and had it on good Authority that Roberson was even trying to cut in on it. When a company is allowed to reach the size of CH Roberson please realize that they are going to have an negative effect on most every business they touch. If Roberson is found guilty of ripping the produce farmers for over one billion dollars it looks like it will open the door for many more lawsuits and maybe Bankruptcy as just a business tool. Even General Motors went bankrupt and how many of you were touched by that even truck drivers didn’t get paid. But many of you I’s and me’s still wait in line to get the latest GMC pickup. Am sure that am just wasting time , but have quite a bit of it right now, warning you all about CH Roberson as all of you I’s and Me’s are like a ostrich with his head stuck in the sand. If any one responds to my comments at least first educate yourself by reading the news that Bulk Loads is so kind as to furnish with out any additional charge

Replied on Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 08:06 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "There are reasons to set up a brokerage as a carrier,the most important is to protect your company.If for some reason somebody comes after you IE:ambulance chasers you have 2 seperate entities and,and they cant completely wipe you out also there are tax advantages to doing it just to name a few reasons.Not all of us are out here to screw everybody,as rare as it is there are still ethics in business for some of us." So are you saying your a broker and an owner operator...

Replied on Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 08:06 AM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "There are reasons to set up a brokerage as a carrier,the most important is to protect your company.If for some reason somebody comes after you IE:ambulance chasers you have 2 seperate entities and,and they cant completely wipe you out also there are tax advantages to doing it just to name a few reasons.Not all of us are out here to screw everybody,as rare as it is there are still ethics in business for some of us."

So are you saying your a broker and an owner operator...

Replied on Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 06:29 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. We have our own trucks and I use the brokerage to cover over capacity of freight I have from my customers to keep them happy,the brokerage is not a profit center,and has never been,its not what we want from it.Just need to keep my customers happy.

Replied on Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 06:30 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I also read about Lansing Trade Group going after the Railroads over fuel sur-charges. "Pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered".

Replied on Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 08:08 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "This board is heavily skewed towards the brokers. Post something negative and watch the downvotes flow like rain. They don't take kindly to remarks that show them in a bad light regardless if it's true or not. " It’s not really fair to blame bulkloads for the brokers opinions, or their rates. As far as this story goes, it’s not really news many of us had evidence this stuff was going on for a long time, since many farmers own trucks and have family members working in every level of the supply chain, nothing stays a secret especially rates. Truthfully I never had a problem with brokers, until the ELD mandate came along, then we started seeing all these news articles with shippers screaming about rate increases, at the same time all the carriers started going broke? Since this particular thread got started, two more carriers announced they are shutting the doors, Howard Baer inc with 194 drivers, and Rodgers trucking with 149 drivers, both were very candid about the reasons.

Replied on Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 08:08 AM CST

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It’s not really fair to blame bulkloads for the brokers opinions, or their rates. As far as this story goes, it’s not really news many of us had evidence this stuff was going on for a long time, since many farmers own trucks and have family members working in every level of the supply chain, nothing stays a secret especially rates. Truthfully I never had a problem with brokers, until the ELD mandate came along, then we started seeing all these news articles with shippers screaming about rate increases, at the same time all the carriers started going broke? Since this particular thread got started, two more carriers announced they are shutting the doors, Howard Baer inc with 194 drivers, and Rodgers trucking with 149 drivers, both were very candid about the reasons.

Replied on Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 08:19 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "It’s not really fair to blame bulkloads for the brokers opinions, or their rates. As far as this story goes, it’s not really news many of us had evidence this stuff was going on for a long time, since many farmers own trucks and have family members working in every level of the supply chain, nothing stays a secret especially rates. Truthfully I never had a problem with brokers, until the ELD mandate came along, then we started seeing all these news articles with shippers screaming about rate increases, at the same time all the carriers started going broke? Since this particular thread got started, two more carriers announced they are shutting the doors, Howard Baer inc with 194 drivers, and Rodgers trucking with 149 drivers, both were very candid about the reasons." I didn't put the blame anyone for anything. Just stated a fact.

Replied on Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 08:19 AM CST

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Quote: "It’s not really fair to blame bulkloads for the brokers opinions, or their rates. As far as this story goes, it’s not really news many of us had evidence this stuff was going on for a long time, since many farmers own trucks and have family members working in every level of the supply chain, nothing stays a secret especially rates. Truthfully I never had a problem with brokers, until the ELD mandate came along, then we started seeing all these news articles with shippers screaming about rate increases, at the same time all the carriers started going broke? Since this particular thread got started, two more carriers announced they are shutting the doors, Howard Baer inc with 194 drivers, and Rodgers trucking with 149 drivers, both were very candid about the reasons."

I didn't put the blame anyone for anything. Just stated a fact.