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Aug 03, 2018 at 05:36 AM CST
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The government screwed stuff up for the farmers with their trade policies, then turns around gives them a $12 billion dollar bail out. That same government screwed stuff up for us truckers with the ELD, but we don't get a bailout? How many of you shippers have seen economic losses since December 18th? Did any of you get a bailout? There is a election coming up this fall.
Replied on Fri, Aug 03, 2018 at 03:04 PM CST
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Did we get anything when things collapsed in2008? No we didn't even get a small jar of vasoline...and one expects to get something now? Unfortunately yo many are counting on making money hauling agricultural. .maybe it's time to grab a van, refer or a flat bed.. because they are doing fairly well.. it's compensate and over take...
Replied on Fri, Aug 03, 2018 at 06:36 PM CST
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If you think that 12 billion is a bailout for farmers and it's going to make us rich. You are an ignorant person.
Replied on Fri, Aug 03, 2018 at 07:35 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: BRAD WEBER
Quote: "If you think that 12 billion is a bailout for farmers and it's going to make us rich. You are an ignorant person. "

I think you missed the point. We never get any hand outs.


Replied on Fri, Aug 03, 2018 at 09:04 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: JOHN CHAFFIN
Quote: "I think you missed the point. We never get any hand outs. "

Yes we do get handouts. Everyday I see roadside inspections and the driver is always given an invitation to make a new friend at the JP’s office.

Bottom line is that farmers vote and truck drivers don’t.
Replied on Fri, Aug 03, 2018 at 10:56 PM CST
Talk about biteing the hand that feeds you.
Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 03:02 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: JOHN CHAFFIN
Quote: "I think you missed the point. We never get any hand outs. "

You are correct john, that was my point. My gripe was how as taxpaying business owners, we were being treated unequally as compared to the farmers. We work just as hard as they do, and contribute just as much to the AG sector as they do, and to society in general. I can see by looking at the responses that the ratio of dislikes to likes this thread received is about 2:1. I can conclude from that, along with some of the responses I received, that the farmers don't support us truckers, and don't feel that we truckers are worthy of the same treatment from government that they receive. OOIDA recently did a survey along with some other business groups, and it showed that most truckers revenue are down by 25% on average, since the ELD. I am sure that it's even worse in the hopper market, where rates are far less than vans and reefers. So my question is this, why should us truckers support you farmers when you don't support us truckers? I said absolutely nothing bad about farmers in my post, yet it appears that I am being attacked by them. Us truckers have families to feed too you know.
Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 04:26 PM CST
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We are all members of the same country (farmers and truckers). Farmees rely on truckers and we farmers know it. And if any of you farmers think that 12 billion dollars gets into an average farmers pocket YOU ARE INSANE. TOTALLY INSANE. it will go to the agricultural version of swift and jb hunt. The other 80 percent will likely go to food stamps, wik or other food assistance programs. Us farmers don't want a stinking handout. Just like you , we want to be paid for our efforts....in a fair fashion.

Please don't an argument about who's more deserving of profit. All those with work ethic are worthy of profit.
Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 05:40 PM CST
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Dave. What makes you think us farmers don't support you?????? Also Dave, two weeks ago you had a post that said the sky is the limit on rates due to eld. What changed in 14 days???? Or is this just a "the grass is greener" situation to make you change your tune????
Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 08:07 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DALE HERMANS
Quote: "Dave. What makes you think us farmers don't support you?????? Also Dave, two weeks ago you had a post that said the sky is the limit on rates due to eld. What changed in 14 days???? Or is this just a "the grass is greener" situation to make you change your tune????"

Dale all you have to do is look at the math, my original post got 10 dislikes Vs 4 likes, so who was offended about the bail out topic? Then right away someone says "If you think us farmers are getting rich off of that 12 million your an ignorant person? Not hard to figure out which group thinks what. As far as the sky being the limit, stay tuned for fall harvest and Christmas. There are many companies that specialize in AG, and everyone of them are watching their drivers leave in droves right now, to go pull flatbed, van, or reefer. Only a couple of months ago, everyone started offering a 10k recruiting bonus for new drivers, well now Schneider raised the bar last week and they are paying 30k for team drivers. Weather folks in the AG sector like it or not, they are going to have to compete, or they won't have any drivers. You as a individual may choose to keep hauling hopper freight for little or nothing, but if you have a fleet of trucks you will never convince your drivers to stay and loose money when they can make more money elsewhere. You will soon find yourself with a parking lot full of empty trucks, and no drivers, and no revenue stream, and the bank will repo your equipment. A year ago, there were a lot of people in AG laughing and making jokes about ELDs, and the driver situation, but none of them are laughing now. Instead they are all complaining how they can't afford to pay us truckers more, funny how that turned out.
Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 08:48 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DAVE WINTERS
Quote: "Dale all you have to do is look at the math, my original post got 10 dislikes Vs 4 likes, so who was offended about the bail out topic? Then right away someone says "If you think us farmers are getting rich off of that 12 million your an ignorant person? Not hard to figure out which group thinks what. As far as the sky being the limit, stay tuned for fall harvest and Christmas. There are many companies that specialize in AG, and everyone of them are watching their drivers leave in droves right now, to go pull flatbed, van, or reefer. Only a couple of months ago, everyone started offering a 10k recruiting bonus for new drivers, well now Schneider raised the bar last week and they are paying 30k for team drivers. Weather folks in the AG sector like it or not, they are going to have to compete, or they won't have any drivers. You as a individual may choose to keep hauling hopper freight for little or nothing, but if you have a fleet of trucks you will never convince your drivers to stay and loose money when they can make more money elsewhere. You will soon find yourself with a parking lot full of empty trucks, and no drivers, and no revenue stream, and the bank will repo your equipment. A year ago, there were a lot of people in AG laughing and making jokes about ELDs, and the driver situation, but none of them are laughing now. Instead they are all complaining how they can't afford to pay us truckers more, funny how that turned out."

Also many megas are offering a minimum pay week..i know many drivers that are now making over 1500 week..plus pay for expenses like meals.. that is about 10 cents a mile on top of everything else..drivers pay has been from a lousy 38 cents..all the way to 62 cents per mile..plus sign on.convenate trucking was offering for a team 40,000 sign on bonus..not all at once but paid over a long time..things like this is what one is up against.. as for owner ops..a new truck is about 165000...a new trailer is about 45-50 thousand PLUS anywhere from 3 to 10 months out if you order ...then there is the ELD so you can't fudge things any more on your time ( you could legally fudge your time + - 7 1/2 minutes on each duty status change)...no more.. the other day I found a job hauling franc sand bins..12 hour day..slip seat...they said 6 dayweek..the last two must be non driving...24.50 hour PLUS 300 month for housing..this is your competition.. if that is straight time that's about1764.00 a week plus that300...this is why ag will be forced to come way up..or it will be left and not moved at all..
Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 09:56 PM CST
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Last time corporate America thought us truckers made too much money, and held too much power, they deregulated the industry. Well you can only play that card one time. The wolves now see a crippled prey, and they are circling it!
Replied on Sat, Aug 04, 2018 at 11:46 PM CST
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Dave,us members of the Ag sector will not be able to compete. You wrote a huge post about how much money people are paying truckers. And yet you complain about the government doing an ag bailout. Why specifically are you complaining about the Ag bailout?????? I hate to tell you but farmers showed awesome profit in 2012. It was disaster before, and even worse than disaster after 2012. So no, the Ag sector can't compete. No way can we afford to pay somebody 1500 per week as you guys mentioned. We don't make one fifth of that ourselves. So why again are you complaining about the bailout????? 62 cents per mile driving. 1500 per week? Whats the problem there??? Try living 5-7 years with zero profit and a full time job asside from a farm. I've made more money in 7 months of commercial trucking than I've made farming since 2013. I will show you my taxes to prove it. And I gaurantee I'm not alone in that. So sorry to rant about Ag woes, but what is your problem with this ag bailout if your industry is so damn great, why do you care what the government does for us farmers. The country hates farmers because of Roundup, errosion, poor roads, slow moving vehicles. This stupid bailout is one more reason that people who know NOTHING about farming, hate farmers.


Replied on Sun, Aug 05, 2018 at 08:42 AM CST
Originally Posted by: DALE HERMANS
Quote: "Dave,us members of the Ag sector will not be able to compete. You wrote a huge post about how much money people are paying truckers. And yet you complain about the government doing an ag bailout. Why specifically are you complaining about the Ag bailout?????? I hate to tell you but farmers showed awesome profit in 2012. It was disaster before, and even worse than disaster after 2012. So no, the Ag sector can't compete. No way can we afford to pay somebody 1500 per week as you guys mentioned. We don't make one fifth of that ourselves. So why again are you complaining about the bailout????? 62 cents per mile driving. 1500 per week? Whats the problem there??? Try living 5-7 years with zero profit and a full time job asside from a farm. I've made more money in 7 months of commercial trucking than I've made farming since 2013. I will show you my taxes to prove it. And I gaurantee I'm not alone in that. So sorry to rant about Ag woes, but what is your problem with this ag bailout if your industry is so damn great, why do you care what the government does for us farmers. The country hates farmers because of Roundup, errosion, poor roads, slow moving vehicles. This stupid bailout is one more reason that people who know NOTHING about farming, hate farmers. "

Ok dale, where did I say anything bad about farmers in my post? I would like you to show me.
Replied on Sun, Aug 05, 2018 at 09:19 AM CST
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Gentlemen we should be shaking hands and working together to solve our common problem.

Our country is under attack from within. No matter if we drive a Peterbilt or if we drive a John Deere, our government has attacked our livelihood.

One misconception is that there is a driver shortage, another misconception is that farmers get rich from government programs.

There is no driver shortage. What we have is a disorganized inefficient industry. We can thank deregulation for that.

The average farmer is in the same boat as we truckers. Big money, real power, corporate ag groups get the break, real farmers get the shaft.

Should we have a shut down? Hell no. When 2 truckers get together we can’t even agree on if it’s daylight or dark.

Trucking nor farming have gotten to the bad part of our business yet. When the Little Moron’s trade tariff goes into full effect we will be lucky to pull our business through the storm.


Replied on Sun, Aug 05, 2018 at 09:30 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: DAVE WINTERS
Quote: "Ok dale, where did I say anything bad about farmers in my post? I would like you to show me."

Dale if truck drivers are so overpaid, then why is there such a shortage of them? The reason so many truckers are starting to not like farmers, is because they continually tell us that we should work for less. This whole piece rate pay structure and exemption from the fair labor standards act goes back to the 1930's, and was a product of the AG mentality, and was intended for farm use only. Yet today every OTR driver is paid this way, and the truckers are sick of it. Drivers want to be paid for all hours worked, weather sitting in line at a grain elevator, or a loading dock. They want to be paid hourly, with overtime after 40. The rates being offered today don't even scratch the surface for what is going to be required to fix the driver shortage. As long as folks in AG continue to tell truckers that they are overpaid and should work for less, truckers will have nothing nice to say in return. This is why I strongly opposed the ELD mandate, I knew what a shit show it would start, and how the farmers would be squeezed between the wall street and increased shipping costs. Well Pandora's box has now been opened.
Replied on Sun, Aug 05, 2018 at 03:24 PM CST
As long as WE tell you that truckers are overpaid? Look at your earlier post. I'm just repeating what I read in your posts. You mentioned sign on bonuses. And 1500 per week. Those aren't my words. I think you are splitting hairs to discredit the Ag opinion by saying we don't want truckers to earn a good living. Half of us are truckers buddy. I tell ya honestly Dave, I want you to earn a good living. I want you to be paid for your time. And paid what you deserve. What irritates me (and this is no reflection of anybody on this forum or any person in particular) if I ask for what everyone else in basic economy asks for, I'm laughed at. Chicago board of trade doesn't give a crap what my cost is. Or how much time a calf crop or any crop accumulates.

Sorry your rules in life are built around ag. But that's where life starts. If u don't like our hos exemptions, then learn to control mother nature. If you are jealous of this joke bailout, come take over my farm and u can have the bailout
Replied on Mon, Aug 06, 2018 at 07:27 AM CST
Originally Posted by: DALE HERMANS
Quote: "As long as WE tell you that truckers are overpaid? Look at your earlier post. I'm just repeating what I read in your posts. You mentioned sign on bonuses. And 1500 per week. Those aren't my words. I think you are splitting hairs to discredit the Ag opinion by saying we don't want truckers to earn a good living. Half of us are truckers buddy. I tell ya honestly Dave, I want you to earn a good living. I want you to be paid for your time. And paid what you deserve. What irritates me (and this is no reflection of anybody on this forum or any person in particular) if I ask for what everyone else in basic economy asks for, I'm laughed at. Chicago board of trade doesn't give a crap what my cost is. Or how much time a calf crop or any crop accumulates. Sorry your rules in life are built around ag. But that's where life starts. If u don't like our hos exemptions, then learn to control mother nature. If you are jealous of this joke bailout, come take over my farm and u can have the bailout"

Dale I have asked you to show me where I said anything bad about farmers and you are unable to. Now can you show me anywhere in my post where I said farmers don't deserve a bailout? All I did was ask that us truckers receive equall treatment, and it seems to have your dander up. It appears that for some reason the message you hear in your brain is Dave is picking on me. You keep on bringing up that I mentioned how good stuff is in trucking, and how rates are up and everyone is getting these big sign on bonuses. There is some of that going on out there, however that is not happening over here in the bulk market, witch is evident by all of The grumbling that goes on about hopper rates every day on this forum. You keep on bringing up how hoppers are connected to farming, and I agree with you that is in fact the case, and that is exactly why us truckers need a bailout, it's becuase you can't pay us anything. If you could, then we wouldn't need one would we? There were plenty of banks repossessing trucks after December 18th becuase of that fact, and all you had to do is watch Craigslist, and you seen guys dumping trucks left and right for what was owed on them, just to get out with their skin intact. None of the loads on this load board are going from farms to elevators, most are going from a elevator or processing plant to another plant of some sort, in witch case the farmer is not the one paying the truck.
Replied on Mon, Aug 06, 2018 at 09:20 AM CST
I will agree that you as a trucker deserve equal treatment as me a farmer. So if financial life got tough for you starting december 18, that means you have about 5.5 more years of losing equity before you've endured an equal financial burden.

That situation is why I'm irritated.
Replied on Mon, Aug 06, 2018 at 10:32 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: DALE HERMANS
Quote: "I will agree that you as a trucker deserve equal treatment as me a farmer. So if financial life got tough for you starting december 18, that means you have about 5.5 more years of losing equity before you've endured an equal financial burden. That situation is why I'm irritated. "

Well I have already been there, becuase I was operating in the recession between 2005 and 2010, when the cost of fuel tripled and rates were stagnant, and I watched one third of the nations carriers go out of business, some of whom had been around more than 100 years. During which time we seen high corn prices do to ethanol and bio fuel production. When the economy crashes this time, and the market is flooded with too many trucks, everyone will have a ELD. Hymm won't that be fun.
Replied on Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 07:48 AM CST
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The reason for the bail out is because farmers are the only group of business that produces a product that they can't set the price in trucking if u don't like the rate don't haul it one of many problems with ag hauling is the unloading compared to van reefers no touch
Replied on Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 09:12 PM CST
We get ours every day. Them farmers keep us loaded and payed. Along with the elevators, feed mills, crushing plants, hog, chicken, turkey, beef,,fish producers. Slaughter houses, fertilizer companies, tater chip plants, peanut growers, produce growers, Melons, string beans, taters, pumpkins, squash, cucumbers, ect. Seed producers.Cotton. And a 1000 others I cant think of right now. AG is a major part of our economy, and where it begins. As long as all my customers stay in business im happy. If yuo cant seem to carve out your own place and make money then that is on you.


Replied on Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 10:19 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DANIEL CORBIN
Quote: "We get ours every day. Them farmers keep us loaded and payed. Along with the elevators, feed mills, crushing plants, hog, chicken, turkey, beef,,fish producers. Slaughter houses, fertilizer companies, tater chip plants, peanut growers, produce growers, Melons, string beans, taters, pumpkins, squash, cucumbers, ect. Seed producers.Cotton. And a 1000 others I cant think of right now. AG is a major part of our economy, and where it begins. As long as all my customers stay in business im happy. If yuo cant seem to carve out your own place and make money then that is on you. "

We had a system that worked for everyone. Prior to December 18th, drivers pay was pretty close weather you pulled a hopper, or a van or reefer. Now that is no longer the case, since the ELD came along. Everything in the market is based on comparison, including drivers wages. For example when you go to buy a pickup truck, the price you pay for a chevy is based on what you would pay for a dodge or a Ford. Most drivers are paid a percentage of gross revenue, especially owner operators. Well they are simply following the money now, and if you can't match what other markets are paying you will loose those drivers. Right now the ATA and the trucking alliance are pushing hard to take away the HOS exemptions for AG. What would happen if all of us truckers who opposed ELDs, suddenly switched sides and supported that? Do you really want to find out? Can you give us a reason not to do that?
Replied on Wed, Aug 08, 2018 at 07:42 AM CST
Go ahead. Take the hos exemptions away for AG .I don't give a crap. Won't bother me one bit. But it will bother a few billion hungry people. If it doesn't just plain cause starvation it will probably cause disease. Because everyone knows farming Shou be 9-5. 5 days a week. A couple rain storms on a wheat crop during harvest doesn't matter RIGHT????? Being a little late on managing parasites in beef or swine is no big deal RIGHT????? rain on a hay crop for a dairy doesn't matter does it?? Yep we will get it all done during the hours society says we should....no problems there.

And to the gentleman that says it's not your problem if some of us can't make money farming....that's the attitude we all love. ME ME ME ME ME. I love hearing that type of talk. So some of us are inferior farmers because we can't show profit?????? Nice jab friend. I saw a sweet w900 decked out, pulling a trailer with a matching paint job once...so I suppose that automatically means all owner ops are loaded?????? Right????? Of course not.
Replied on Wed, Aug 08, 2018 at 08:06 AM CST
If it's nobody's problem that ag people are struggling due to poor prices then answer me this Daniel, is it also nobody's problem if an owner op cant show profit on a 1.60 per mile load?? Does a highly talented operator make more profit on that load than an average operator?

Most people care if other people do well. That's why our country is great. Everybody complains, why don't truckers unite and strike for better rates, same with Ag...we don't do it because we care about people. Thank you to the trucker carrying med supplies that chooses not to strike. Or the one carrying bottled water. Same thing for ag
Replied on Wed, Aug 08, 2018 at 10:52 AM CST
I'm getting too wound up. Sorry.

I respect trucking alot. It's good to me. Has been good to my father. It's harder than I thought it would be.
Replied on Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 03:04 PM CST
I quit taking any aid from the people when I left the Army in 1996. Since then I have been on my own in business one way or another. I uderstand the need to be subsidized when the market is being rigged against you. When Corporate America keeps taking and raking in the profits, they are at least much smart enough to realize that they have to keep the cake supply going. If they did not keep the cake at the marketplace then the natives would get restless and get hungry and might actually start hunting in the back yards of the theives and liers of this world.

When we accept monies from the government then we must comply with whatever the individuals that gave us such monies. I learned this when I was in the Army and have made sure to remain free ever since then.