Did you get yours?

Did we get anything when things collapsed in2008? No we didn't even get a small jar of vasoline...and one expects to get something now? Unfortunately yo many are counting on making money hauling agricultural. .maybe it's time to grab a van, refer or a flat bed.. because they are doing fairly well.. it's compensate and over take...

I think you missed the point. We never get any hand outs.

Talk about biteing the hand that feeds you.

We are all members of the same country (farmers and truckers). Farmees rely on truckers and we farmers know it. And if any of you farmers think that 12 billion dollars gets into an average farmers pocket YOU ARE INSANE. TOTALLY INSANE. it will go to the agricultural version of swift and jb hunt. The other 80 percent will likely go to food stamps, wik or other food assistance programs. Us farmers don't want a stinking handout. Just like you , we want to be paid for our efforts....in a fair fashion.

Please don't an argument about who's more deserving of profit. All those with work ethic are worthy of profit.

Dale all you have to do is look at the math, my original post got 10 dislikes Vs 4 likes, so who was offended about the bail out topic? Then right away someone says "If you think us farmers are getting rich off of that 12 million your an ignorant person? Not hard to figure out which group thinks what. As far as the sky being the limit, stay tuned for fall harvest and Christmas. There are many companies that specialize in AG, and everyone of them are watching their drivers leave in droves right now, to go pull flatbed, van, or reefer. Only a couple of months ago, everyone started offering a 10k recruiting bonus for new drivers, well now Schneider raised the bar last week and they are paying 30k for team drivers. Weather folks in the AG sector like it or not, they are going to have to compete, or they won't have any drivers. You as a individual may choose to keep hauling hopper freight for little or nothing, but if you have a fleet of trucks you will never convince your drivers to stay and loose money when they can make more money elsewhere. You will soon find yourself with a parking lot full of empty trucks, and no drivers, and no revenue stream, and the bank will repo your equipment. A year ago, there were a lot of people in AG laughing and making jokes about ELDs, and the driver situation, but none of them are laughing now. Instead they are all complaining how they can't afford to pay us truckers more, funny how that turned out.

Last time corporate America thought us truckers made too much money, and held too much power, they deregulated the industry. Well you can only play that card one time. The wolves now see a crippled prey, and they are circling it!

Ok dale, where did I say anything bad about farmers in my post? I would like you to show me.

Dale if truck drivers are so overpaid, then why is there such a shortage of them? The reason so many truckers are starting to not like farmers, is because they continually tell us that we should work for less. This whole piece rate pay structure and exemption from the fair labor standards act goes back to the 1930's, and was a product of the AG mentality, and was intended for farm use only. Yet today every OTR driver is paid this way, and the truckers are sick of it. Drivers want to be paid for all hours worked, weather sitting in line at a grain elevator, or a loading dock. They want to be paid hourly, with overtime after 40. The rates being offered today don't even scratch the surface for what is going to be required to fix the driver shortage. As long as folks in AG continue to tell truckers that they are overpaid and should work for less, truckers will have nothing nice to say in return. This is why I strongly opposed the ELD mandate, I knew what a shit show it would start, and how the farmers would be squeezed between the wall street and increased shipping costs. Well Pandora's box has now been opened.

Dale I have asked you to show me where I said anything bad about farmers and you are unable to. Now can you show me anywhere in my post where I said farmers don't deserve a bailout? All I did was ask that us truckers receive equall treatment, and it seems to have your dander up. It appears that for some reason the message you hear in your brain is Dave is picking on me. You keep on bringing up that I mentioned how good stuff is in trucking, and how rates are up and everyone is getting these big sign on bonuses. There is some of that going on out there, however that is not happening over here in the bulk market, witch is evident by all of The grumbling that goes on about hopper rates every day on this forum. You keep on bringing up how hoppers are connected to farming, and I agree with you that is in fact the case, and that is exactly why us truckers need a bailout, it's becuase you can't pay us anything. If you could, then we wouldn't need one would we? There were plenty of banks repossessing trucks after December 18th becuase of that fact, and all you had to do is watch Craigslist, and you seen guys dumping trucks left and right for what was owed on them, just to get out with their skin intact. None of the loads on this load board are going from farms to elevators, most are going from a elevator or processing plant to another plant of some sort, in witch case the farmer is not the one paying the truck.

Well I have already been there, becuase I was operating in the recession between 2005 and 2010, when the cost of fuel tripled and rates were stagnant, and I watched one third of the nations carriers go out of business, some of whom had been around more than 100 years. During which time we seen high corn prices do to ethanol and bio fuel production. When the economy crashes this time, and the market is flooded with too many trucks, everyone will have a ELD. Hymm won't that be fun.

We get ours every day. Them farmers keep us loaded and payed. Along with the elevators, feed mills, crushing plants, hog, chicken, turkey, beef,,fish producers. Slaughter houses, fertilizer companies, tater chip plants, peanut growers, produce growers, Melons, string beans, taters, pumpkins, squash, cucumbers, ect. Seed producers.Cotton. And a 1000 others I cant think of right now. AG is a major part of our economy, and where it begins. As long as all my customers stay in business im happy. If yuo cant seem to carve out your own place and make money then that is on you.

Go ahead. Take the hos exemptions away for AG .I don't give a crap. Won't bother me one bit. But it will bother a few billion hungry people. If it doesn't just plain cause starvation it will probably cause disease. Because everyone knows farming Shou be 9-5. 5 days a week. A couple rain storms on a wheat crop during harvest doesn't matter RIGHT????? Being a little late on managing parasites in beef or swine is no big deal RIGHT????? rain on a hay crop for a dairy doesn't matter does it?? Yep we will get it all done during the hours society says we should....no problems there.

And to the gentleman that says it's not your problem if some of us can't make money farming....that's the attitude we all love. ME ME ME ME ME. I love hearing that type of talk. So some of us are inferior farmers because we can't show profit?????? Nice jab friend. I saw a sweet w900 decked out, pulling a trailer with a matching paint job once...so I suppose that automatically means all owner ops are loaded?????? Right????? Of course not.

I'm getting too wound up. Sorry.

I respect trucking alot. It's good to me. Has been good to my father. It's harder than I thought it would be.