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Jan 06, 2018 at 02:39 PM CST
2005 acert. So I install a 6nz ecm ecm says 2000 year
should qualify as a glider or not
Replied on Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 03:46 PM CST
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Only a idiot would broadcast that to the world. There are also several other identifying features that would indicate what you attempted to do. And does your serial number have a letter G in it?
Replied on Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 05:17 PM CST
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When one is planning to commit a crime, one should keep the details of how they plan to commit that crime private. That said, CVSA is currently training with the help of the OEM's, to look for this type of activity, since some of you have broadcast your intentions all over the internet.
Replied on Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 07:20 PM CST
Dave,

Explain to me, please, how this is illegal. From what I understand, glider kits are exempt if the engine is older than a 2000 model. I can't see what the difference would be if a person would replace a motor in a post 2000 truck with a pre 2000 engine.
Replied on Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 09:34 PM CST
Im speechless..a 2005 engine is a 2005 engine no matter what you do with it..its all about the serial number..hope you dont get pulled over with you thinking its a 2000 engine...because that serial number sticks out there like a sore thumb.. and those most of those DOT cops are pretty smart..and can look and see its not a 2000...
Replied on Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 09:38 PM CST
I did the same thing. I re-powered my 07 freightliner. got rid of my c-15 accert and had a 6nz cat completely rebuilt. I did for the reasons of better fuel mileage and for less problems that I had with the accert engine. Not sure if I accomplished what I was going for. time will tell. so far not impressed. maybe just had the wrong people rebuild the engine. good luck to thoughs who are trying to beat the system.
Replied on Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 09:58 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: SIVERTSON BROTHERS
Quote: "Dave, Explain to me, please, how this is illegal. From what I understand, glider kits are exempt if the engine is older than a 2000 model. I can't see what the difference would be if a person would replace a motor in a post 2000 truck with a pre 2000 engine. "

If the truck was sold new as a complete unit, And not a glider kit, it would technically be a violation of emissions laws, put a older pre emission motor in it.... And to replace a 120 pin ecm on a accert, with a older 70 pin ecm from a 6NZ, you would have to convert the accert to a pre emission configuration, witch is also a violation of federal law...You cannot legally treat a factory built truck as a glider kit, it was not sold as a glider kit, and as such was subject to federal emissions standards, upon its build date......Now I don't take issue with that personally, but since you are asking why this would be illegal, there is your answer.........The DOT can tell by looking at the VIN# on the cab card if it was sold as a glider kit, becuase the 5th digit would be a letter G. Now what is the intent behind switching the ECM on this 2005 accert? It's only purpose would be to try and pass this engine off, as a pre2000, so it would be E-log exempt.......... Now how do you hide the rest of the telltale signs of accert, like the metric bolts, serpentine belts, and different oil seal designs, location of timing sensors, etc?.........You can't! And the DOT is not that dumb. I do not have a problem with this, But the DOT will..............The problem I have with this, is let's assume for a moment that this was a feasible plan, Now becuase some trucker could not keep his mouth shut and had to broadcast his plan to the world, the DOT will be looking for this kind of stuff! What a rocket scientist!
Replied on Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 10:48 PM CST
So I should not have bought the truck with a blown ice and converted it to the bus and put the 6nz box on it. My serial number says it has a ixs
it was a 1 month project the truck had 410000 bought it from the estate
so is it a glider or not.
The doner truck was a accident truck.
Replied on Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 10:49 PM CST
So I should not have bought the truck with a blown ixs and converted it to the bus and put the 6nz box on it. My serial number says it has a ixs
it was a 1 month project the truck had 410000 bought it from the estate
so is it a glider or not.
The doner truck was a accident truck.
Replied on Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 10:54 PM CST
Ease up on the caffeine, Dave. Nobody has cited any law. Lots of "you can't do that", but no proof. I believe that is what we are looking for. People are deleting EGR all the time, and I have yet to hear of any company who has done it getting popped for it. Let alone any company that provides the delete kit getting popped. Far as I am concerned, if I got a 2005 Cat ACERT (which I do) and the motor grenades, and I want to stuff a 14 liter 60 series Detroit in it, that is my choice. No idea why that would be illegal. I can see how the EMC swap on a '05 could be shady, but I would like the legitimate judges ruling on both situations, if anyone actually knows the laws, or where I could go to find them.
Replied on Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 11:27 PM CST
Originally Posted by: SIVERTSON BROTHERS
Quote: "Ease up on the caffeine, Dave. Nobody has cited any law. Lots of "you can't do that", but no proof. I believe that is what we are looking for. People are deleting EGR all the time, and I have yet to hear of any company who has done it getting popped for it. Let alone any company that provides the delete kit getting popped. Far as I am concerned, if I got a 2005 Cat ACERT (which I do) and the motor grenades, and I want to stuff a 14 liter 60 series Detroit in it, that is my choice. No idea why that would be illegal. I can see how the EMC swap on a '05 could be shady, but I would like the legitimate judges ruling on both situations, if anyone actually knows the laws, or where I could go to find them. "

It's not my intent to beat you over the head, I am only stating facts. The first thing the DOT is going to to do when you say you are E-Log exempt, is look at the VIN# on your cab card. Your the one who is going to have to explain to the DOT why your exempt from E-LOGs, not me. This all comes down to Intent to evade the HOS and E-log mandate, more than emissions laws. But as far as emission laws go, call up some dealerships on the phone, and tell them you would like to trade a truck in that has been Tampered with, and watch how fast they hang up on you.
Replied on Sun, Jan 07, 2018 at 12:14 AM CST
Originally Posted by: DAVE WINTERS
Quote: "It's not my intent to beat you over the head, I am only stating facts. The first thing the DOT is going to to do when you say you are E-Log exempt, is look at the VIN# on your cab card. Your the one who is going to have to explain to the DOT why your exempt from E-LOGs, not me. This all comes down to Intent to evade the HOS and E-log mandate, more than emissions laws. But as far as emission laws go, call up some dealerships on the phone, and tell them you would like to trade a truck in that has been Tampered with, and watch how fast they hang up on you. "

Everyone wants to beat this E-log mandate, now that it's here, and while I admire that there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. Do your homework before throwing money away. And keep in mind, that the FMCSA can take away that exemption for a older truck at any time, so you may just be delaying the inevitable.... The other week they said a E-log is required for a mechanical engine now, but not a Electronic engine if it's older than a 2000, so they are all over the place on this subject right now.
Replied on Sun, Jan 07, 2018 at 01:19 PM CST
I have a 2000 pete. When they pulled me over. They asked me to open my door and they looked at the year. Then asked to see my log book. No problem
Replied on Sun, Jan 07, 2018 at 02:34 PM CST
I have several trucks that I have bought with blowed up motors and replaced with pre eld motors. Most of them were done before I had any worry of ELD. For me it's usually a case of collecting leftovers at the shop and building from there. We have customers all the time with damaged crankshaft or hole in the block and we put whatever the person wants back in.
I don't see the panic in this one. FMCSA states that if there is a dispute in the model of the motor your supposed to have supporting documents in your office.

Art Pfluger
Replied on Sun, Jan 07, 2018 at 04:06 PM CST
Be to bad to spend money on making your truck look like
it has a 2000 engine when it has to be a 1999 or older.
Replied on Sun, Jan 07, 2018 at 07:47 PM CST
Originally Posted by: ROSE PFLUGER
Quote: "I have several trucks that I have bought with blowed up motors and replaced with pre eld motors. Most of them were done before I had any worry of ELD. For me it's usually a case of collecting leftovers at the shop and building from there. We have customers all the time with damaged crankshaft or hole in the block and we put whatever the person wants back in. I don't see the panic in this one. FMCSA states that if there is a dispute in the model of the motor your supposed to have supporting documents in your office. Art Pfluger"

This was not really to much of a problem before the E-log mandate came along, unless you wanted to go to California, or have a factory authorized dealer work on your truck. The DOT was not to concerned about you doing a Emmision's Delete......But when the E-log mandate came along, and guys started doing a single Turbo conversion to a accert, and trying to switch serial numbers, and fraudulently claiming it's a pre 2000, it then became something that they are interested in. Caterpillar worked directly with CVSA, and gave them a list of features to help Identify this activity, and stoped handing out replacement serial numbers, becuase of this. The only way to get a replacement serial number now, is to have caterpillar inspect your truck when they work on it.
Replied on Mon, Jan 08, 2018 at 06:01 AM CST
DAVE
I have to say i agree with you.
some of these guys elevator doesn't go all the sterto the top floor and the rest are a few frys short of a full load.
Now that being said it is of my opinion when you fight the LAW the LAW win.
For those of you whom can't conduct your business completely on the up and up....you may as well park it now and
look for a new occupation......this is just the beginning.
As for me i entend to follow what ever guidelines comes down the pike. I am a survivor...I will steer my efforts in a direction
that makes my company the most effiecent and productive. These type effort from those of you who choose to be Rebals and
who have spend $1000s of dollars in doing so and thousands more when you get caught would be much richer if you just used
the same effort in doing something like figuring out how to make all this work for you. I get it. We all hate change especially when
it come to our livelyhood. Unfortunatly many of you won't make it, simply because your bull headed and that could be a good thing
for some and a bad thing for others.
I will finish by saying I am not in agreement with all this ELD BS either but I am smart enough not to waste my time trying to get around
it while the rest of the world is passing me by.
Here is a little advise my dad passed on to me before he passed......"GET WITH THE PROGRAM OR GET OUT"
Replied on Mon, Jan 08, 2018 at 07:05 AM CST
Originally Posted by: DENNIS LEE
Quote: "DAVE I have to say i agree with you. some of these guys elevator doesn't go all the sterto the top floor and the rest are a few frys short of a full load. Now that being said it is of my opinion when you fight the LAW the LAW win. For those of you whom can't conduct your business completely on the up and up....you may as well park it now and look for a new occupation......this is just the beginning. As for me i entend to follow what ever guidelines comes down the pike. I am a survivor...I will steer my efforts in a direction that makes my company the most effiecent and productive. These type effort from those of you who choose to be Rebals and who have spend $1000s of dollars in doing so and thousands more when you get caught would be much richer if you just used the same effort in doing something like figuring out how to make all this work for you. I get it. We all hate change especially when it come to our livelyhood. Unfortunatly many of you won't make it, simply because your bull headed and that could be a good thing for some and a bad thing for others. I will finish by saying I am not in agreement with all this ELD BS either but I am smart enough not to waste my time trying to get around it while the rest of the world is passing me by. Here is a little advise my dad passed on to me before he passed......"GET WITH THE PROGRAM OR GET OUT""

Sad
Replied on Mon, Jan 08, 2018 at 03:42 PM CST
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In all reality there are only two viable options to get around this mandate, the first would be to buy a legitimate glider kit, with a older motor, the second would be to buy a old truck and rebuild it, a very time consuming project. Or you could take a chance, and put a older motor in your existing truck, which is very questionable. Given the additude from the enforcement community, it would be a gamble. And after all of that expense, FMCSA could come back at any time, and revoke that exemption. In all likelihood this is the moment you need to ask yourself if it is worth it anymore, to keep going?