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If regulation leads to profit.

Feb 19, 2018 at 04:32 PM CST
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If regulation leads to profit, then North Korea should be one of the wealthiest nations on earth. It is not...... Remember when daycare was no big deal, and everyone could afford it? Then the regulators got involved in the free market, and screwed it up, just like health care. Now we have folks who are asking the government to get involved and mandate detention time, since they lost productivity with E-logs. Essentially what people are saying is that they are such poor negotiators, they want the government to run their business for them. How long will we remain free, once business owners start asking the government to take everything over? Yes trucking rates were better before deregulation, but it wasn't because of regulation, it was becuase of demand. Every working American has went backwards since the 70s, not just truckers. Brick layers, cement finishers, carpenters, factory workers, etc. They did not deregulate any of these other industries like ours, but fall in wages was the same, witch puts a big hole in the deregulation argument.
Replied on Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 05:56 PM CST
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Deregulation brough us Enron..i saw what deregulating the powercompanys did in california..and other states watched on the sidelines..where mysterious power plants just had to shut down.. giving us brown outs and black outs.. or gas lines mysteriously breaking down..doubling..tripling the power and gas bills...but hey thats deregulation and free enterprise you say..funny how your state didnt deregulate..really funny thing california reregulated..as they are today.. and crooks like Enron are history
..just like i worked in a regulated trucking industry..where you made money..your MC number was worth something and your state authority was worth even more..as in many worth millions..and today they arent worth a piece of used toilet paper..you dont sell your authority... you just close the doors..and there were brokers.. BUT they were all conected to a trucking company that had to much freight to haul themselves and would broker out the unmoved freight to make their customers happy...it wasnt a full time business brokering loads...you got paid in 15 days..or you could get the government to get it for you..in 1971 you got about 75 cents a mile..fuel was about a quarter..new trucks were about 15,000 bucks..and what we're see today rates , you are lucky to get 2 bucks, trucks are 165,000 and fuel is more or less 3 bucks a gallon..why is it since 1971 the cost of living has gone up over 10 times..and freight rates have gone up less than 3 times..and wages were a dime a mile .. today your lucky to get 40 cents..again 4 times increase...this is what deregulation has done..and there are so many that think they are making money.. many paying a broker 10...20% of the pay for that load that they used to put in the truckers pockets..but everybody just loves deregulation..and cant find somebody who can do more than keep a seat warm...and wonder where all of the person who can properly operate a truck...they all went to a job that pays more than peanuts...theyre home every night..and dont have to eat fast food every day because thats what truck stops have..and arent lied toon a daily basis...but thats what deregulation does..and everybody is just as happy as coon eating sh**...why is that?
Replied on Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 06:01 PM CST
Something else to think about.. that ford pick up in 1971 was about 3,000.. same pick up today is about 35,000 bucks..in the trades the wages have gone up about 8 times..and trucking wages up about 4 times...if that.. mixer driver in 1971 was about 8 bucks.. the other day i was offered a union mixer job for 27 bucks an hour..so 3.5 times..its sad that all of the other trades jobs are so much more.
Replied on Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 07:58 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: JEFF PEARSON
Quote: "Deregulation brough us Enron..i saw what deregulating the powercompanys did in california..and other states watched on the sidelines..where mysterious power plants just had to shut down.. giving us brown outs and black outs.. or gas lines mysteriously breaking down..doubling..tripling the power and gas bills...but hey thats deregulation and free enterprise you say..funny how your state didnt deregulate..really funny thing california reregulated..as they are today.. and crooks like Enron are history ..just like i worked in a regulated trucking industry..where you made money..your MC number was worth something and your state authority was worth even more..as in many worth millions..and today they arent worth a piece of used toilet paper..you dont sell your authority... you just close the doors..and there were brokers.. BUT they were all conected to a trucking company that had to much freight to haul themselves and would broker out the unmoved freight to make their customers happy...it wasnt a full time business brokering loads...you got paid in 15 days..or you could get the government to get it for you..in 1971 you got about 75 cents a mile..fuel was about a quarter..new trucks were about 15,000 bucks..and what we're see today rates , you are lucky to get 2 bucks, trucks are 165,000 and fuel is more or less 3 bucks a gallon..why is it since 1971 the cost of living has gone up over 10 times..and freight rates have gone up less than 3 times..and wages were a dime a mile .. today your lucky to get 40 cents..again 4 times increase...this is what deregulation has done..and there are so many that think they are making money.. many paying a broker 10...20% of the pay for that load that they used to put in the truckers pockets..but everybody just loves deregulation..and cant find somebody who can do more than keep a seat warm...and wonder where all of the person who can properly operate a truck...they all went to a job that pays more than peanuts...theyre home every night..and dont have to eat fast food every day because thats what truck stops have..and arent lied toon a daily basis...but thats what deregulation does..and everybody is just as happy as coon eating sh**...why is that?"

The answer is not on the left, or the right, rather it is somewhere in the middle. When you have a lack of competition in the market, you have a monopoly, instead of a free market, which gives birth to stuff like Enron, and your rolling blackouts...( And that's what the megga fleets would like to have). On the other side of this, is over production, and low rates. Both of these scenarios when taken to the extreme, produce the peon class and give birth to a third world nation. Over regulation impedes the flow of revenue, and prevents progress. For example it's likely the industrial revolution never would of happened, if they were burdened with today's regulations, and the railroads would never have been built. But putting all of that aside, who has a better standard of living, the truck driver in America or the truck driver in North Korea? And which one is regulated the most? The trucker in America is free to quit his job any time he chooses, unlike his comrade in North Korea? Government would be happy to run your business for you, and they will also be happy to keep your profits, so be careful what you ask for. Some of those folks who came hear from Cuba would attest to it.
Replied on Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 10:18 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: JEFF PEARSON
Quote: "Something else to think about.. that ford pick up in 1971 was about 3,000.. same pick up today is about 35,000 bucks..in the trades the wages have gone up about 8 times..and trucking wages up about 4 times...if that.. mixer driver in 1971 was about 8 bucks.. the other day i was offered a union mixer job for 27 bucks an hour..so 3.5 times..its sad that all of the other trades jobs are so much more."

It truly is sad, but its our own fault. How many times have we seen someone with no experiance, run out and buy a truck, and then show up on this forum, and say hello I am new at this and don't know what to do, can you please help me and tell me what to charge?........... Really? It never occured these people to lease onto a carrier for a few years, and learn the ropes first? They just assume if the wheels are turning, the truck is generating a profit. Then someone tells them they should be getting $2.50 per mile, and 5 other guys will chime in that $1.20 per mile is acceptable?
Replied on Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 07:50 AM CST
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It is my opinion that too much regulation is not good. It is my responisibility to know when i'm getting tired and know when to safely shut down due to fatigue...not the governments. I should be held accountable for being a safe operator, and they should leave me alone. I happen to be one of the new people to the industry, and I happen to be making a good living doing this. The poor ag economy brought me here and i believe that is why your rates are going down. My farm hasnt produced enough money to support a family for 4 years now, and i know im not the only one, so how could i (the producer) afford to pay a higher rate for shipping, or for anything. Our bankers are cutting us off, and i believe that is trickling down and forcing lower shipping rates for any ag comodity.

back to my deregulation opinion, asside from trucking on a farm, i dont have one tenth of the trucking experience most people on the road have, so maybe the only advantage i have over some people is the ability to run a few more hours (not saying i support driving 18 hours in a day, again it is my responinility to be safe), maybe that makes up for my lack of load connections, lack of experience, ect. The whole process of putting my farm trucks on the road has been interesting, met alot of GREAT people, learned alot of new things, but hands down the most difficult and expensive and frustrating part has been the government. Not saying i should be free to weigh 105000 pounds with 5 axles, or free to drive till i fall asleep, but my opinion is that I would like to be left alone as long as im safe.

thanks
Replied on Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 02:33 PM CST
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If FMCSA is going to mandate e logs, maybe they should be responsible for the aftermath?. Like mandating detention pay and overseeing broker rates?. I dont like it any more than you. The governments involvement in the free market place inhibits true capitalism. It also interferes with interstate commerce, unfortunately government has morphodized the original intent of the 10th amendment. "The Commerce Clause refers to Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution, which gives Congress the power “to regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes.”

The Constitution enumerates certain powers for the federal government. The Tenth Amendment provides that any powers that are not delegated to Congress by the Constitution are reserved for the states. Congress has often used the Commerce Clause to justify exercising legislative power over the activities of states and their citizens, leading to significant and ongoing controversy regarding the balance of power between the federal government and the states."

Replied on Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 02:38 PM CST
Originally Posted by: TONY JOHNSON
Quote: "If FMCSA is going to mandate e logs, maybe they should be responsible for the aftermath?. Like mandating detention pay and overseeing broker rates?. I dont like it any more than you. The governments involvement in the free market place inhibits true capitalism. It also interferes with interstate commerce, unfortunately government has morphodized the original intent of the 10th amendment. "The Commerce Clause refers to Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution, which gives Congress the power “to regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes.” The Constitution enumerates certain powers for the federal government. The Tenth Amendment provides that any powers that are not delegated to Congress by the Constitution are reserved for the states. Congress has often used the Commerce Clause to justify exercising legislative power over the activities of states and their citizens, leading to significant and ongoing controversy regarding the balance of power between the federal government and the states.""

YES!!! Wish I could "love" this comment/reply!
Replied on Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 04:16 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: TONY JOHNSON
Quote: "If FMCSA is going to mandate e logs, maybe they should be responsible for the aftermath?. Like mandating detention pay and overseeing broker rates?. I dont like it any more than you. The governments involvement in the free market place inhibits true capitalism. It also interferes with interstate commerce, unfortunately government has morphodized the original intent of the 10th amendment. "The Commerce Clause refers to Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution, which gives Congress the power “to regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes.” The Constitution enumerates certain powers for the federal government. The Tenth Amendment provides that any powers that are not delegated to Congress by the Constitution are reserved for the states. Congress has often used the Commerce Clause to justify exercising legislative power over the activities of states and their citizens, leading to significant and ongoing controversy regarding the balance of power between the federal government and the states.""

Let's say that the government were to mandate detention pay, what's to stop the shipper from cutting the per mile rate, to make up the difference? Would you then want the government to mandate what the per mile rate is too? And if so, what's to stop the shipper from replacing you with the railroad, or starting their own private fleet of trucks? Would you then ask the government to prevent them, from exercising that right too? I have to ask the question now, who works for who? Who is the employee, and who is the employer? And when did carl Marx take over the USA? What is the difference between a contractor, and a employee if the government is going to mandate what a shipper pays a contractor? As for brokers, they are regulated by the government already, and by law they have to show you the the shipping documents if you request them. If someone is unable to make a fair profit, then the market don't need them, or they don't know what they are doing. In either case its their own fault if they go broke.
Replied on Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 08:54 AM CST
The key word here is regulation, to provide a level playing field for all those who are involved. You cant regulate the trucks in the name of safety or terroism, or for the purpose revenue and not the whole industry. If I am to wear a dollar sign on my forhead and have everyone dipping in my pocket, at least give me a fair work place to earn it with dignity. As you say, if you cannot make a profit, you dont belong, very true, but if making a profit is controlled by entities beyond our control, I call a foul.
Replied on Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 01:26 PM CST
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The problem with claiming victim hood, is that we put ourselves here voulantarily. There is no one forcing us to stay. If you want a guaranteed income, become a employee instead of a contractor. It's pointless to think that the government will ever mandate detention pay for carriers, as we are not employees, we are contractors. The biggest lie pushed by public education, is that all men are created equall. There are some who are born with a high IQ, and some that are not. Those with a higher IQ, will succeed where others fail, more times than not. The free market does not hand out participation trophies to everyone, here there are winners and losers. Business is a lot like warfare, Victory is earned it is never given.
Replied on Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 04:17 PM CST
Some food for thought, workers in every form of government are going backwards at this point, be it socialist, communist or free market. Europe has brexit, and a host of other problems, in many parts of South America, like Venezuela they have put the military in charge of food distribution. Many women now trade sex for food, to stay fed at this point in Venezuela. Across the globe we are seeing a mass migration crisis, the size of witch has never been seen in all of recorded history. Was this referred to in Mathew 24:10-12 ?
Replied on Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 06:29 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DAVE WINTERS
Quote: "The problem with claiming victim hood, is that we put ourselves here voulantarily. There is no one forcing us to stay. If you want a guaranteed income, become a employee instead of a contractor. It's pointless to think that the government will ever mandate detention pay for carriers, as we are not employees, we are contractors. The biggest lie pushed by public education, is that all men are created equall. There are some who are born with a high IQ, and some that are not. Those with a higher IQ, will succeed where others fail, more times than not. The free market does not hand out participation trophies to everyone, here there are winners and losers. Business is a lot like warfare, Victory is earned it is never given. "

very well said