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Dec 27, 2017 at 12:33 PM CST + 8
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. This ELD madate that we pay for has absolutely no benefit to the drivers or the company. My drivers are more stressed out, worn out, and tire while having to drive than ever before. our loads are force to deliver and pick up late all the time and brokers dont understand this and I am very concered that this will cause poor relationships with our customers. If we can't get a load picked up in time or deliver it on time, I would like to say in I am sorry in ADVANC. It's not our reputation but we must follow the law.

Replied on Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 01:16 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I used to work the long distance dump market prior to this mandate. I can no longer justify being out there In subzero weather, dealing with loads of material that freeze in, B ecuase it had to sit on the trailer over night, when it's -25 degrees out side.

Replied on Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 04:34 PM CST + 3
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Driver today north of lubbock on I 27. He's struggling with his new device. Got cited for not current to change of duty status. CSA points ticket. Guys hate it and everyone of them is looking for work in other fields. Money isn't the answer either. It is that feeling of being exposed and at the mercy of any Officer. No one is winning on this one. Good drivers are hard to find and most have other skills. They are complaining about the feeling that they need to rush every minute. Art Pfluger

Replied on Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 04:34 PM CST

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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Driver today north of lubbock on I 27. He's struggling with his new device. Got cited for not current to change of duty status. CSA points ticket. Guys hate it and everyone of them is looking for work in other fields. Money isn't the answer either. It is that feeling of being exposed and at the mercy of any Officer. No one is winning on this one. Good drivers are hard to find and most have other skills. They are complaining about the feeling that they need to rush every minute.

Art Pfluger

Replied on Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:02 AM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. FMCSA has publicly declared that no CSA points will be affected until April 1st. You can get a fine, but no points off.

Replied on Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:17 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "FMCSA has publicly declared that no CSA points will be affected until April 1st. You can get a fine, but no points off." You will find that FMCSA says alot of things that are not always true..look whos running the place..a guy who used to run the department of motor vehicles..time will tell...

Replied on Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:31 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "FMCSA has publicly declared that no CSA points will be affected until April 1st. You can get a fine, but no points off." That's not correct fine and points now you won't be put out of service till April

Replied on Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:59 AM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Where are you seeing that points will be assessed? Every site I see still says no points until April. That would only be for not having it installed or on. If you log your hours on it incorrectly you will still get the normal fine and points I would assume, same as paper.

Replied on Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 11:10 AM CST + 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Yesterday we clearly got points, however OOIDA says they'll assist me. I haul a clearly on the list product one direction. The other I haul a product with no other possible use than farm use. Clearly marked that way on BOL. OOIDA says treat as exempt. Called Az FMCSA office and they were adamant that it's not on the list therefore I have to run ELD one way and paper the other way. I can use eld both ways if I want. This is to confusing. I can also use the sir mile exemption for the first 172 miles and not log those miles, but everyone agrees that there will be officer's that don't understand or agree and then I'll have to fight to get wrongful info off our records. I spent about double what I thought trying to comply. Now I'm ending up with days getting clarification and fighting with all concerned. This is rediculous. Then the commodity brokers are beating on us over Penny's on these rates that are to cheap to start with. There needs to be an end point soon or I'll be forced to park. Art Pfluger Yeah I know don't let the screen door hitme in the ass on the way out

Replied on Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 11:10 AM CST

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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Yesterday we clearly got points, however OOIDA says they'll assist me. I haul a clearly on the list product one direction. The other I haul a product with no other possible use than farm use. Clearly marked that way on BOL. OOIDA says treat as exempt. Called Az FMCSA office and they were adamant that it's not on the list therefore I have to run ELD one way and paper the other way. I can use eld both ways if I want. This is to confusing. I can also use the sir mile exemption for the first 172 miles and not log those miles, but everyone agrees that there will be officer's that don't understand or agree and then I'll have to fight to get wrongful info off our records. I spent about double what I thought trying to comply. Now I'm ending up with days getting clarification and fighting with all concerned. This is rediculous. Then the commodity brokers are beating on us over Penny's on these rates that are to cheap to start with. There needs to be an end point soon or I'll be forced to park.

Art Pfluger

Yeah I know don't let the screen door hitme in the ass on the way out

Replied on Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 12:25 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Hey Rose North of Lubbock probably means Abernathy. In my opinion the crew , cops and justice of the peace, that work there have been scamming truck drivers for 50 years. Just experience no proof. Be good place for OIDA to try to t take them down. By the way I am a free member to this forum. Bulk Loads is a good load board, have been a paying member before but just don’t need load board at this time. But still like to read the forum. If anyone has problem with me reading or replying occasionally , sorry to offend you. life member of OIDA

Replied on Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 12:25 PM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Hey Rose

North of Lubbock probably means Abernathy. In my opinion
the crew , cops and justice of the peace, that work there
have been scamming truck drivers for 50 years.

Just experience no proof. Be good place for OIDA to try to t
take them down.

By the way I am a free member to this forum. Bulk Loads
is a good load board, have been a paying member before
but just don’t need load board at this time. But still like to
read the forum. If anyone has problem with me reading
or replying occasionally , sorry to offend you.

life member of OIDA

Replied on Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 12:48 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Dan you must remember that the majority of officer's today use the presumption that they can issue you any citation or CSA documents they want to. I have officer's tell me to my face that a CSA ticket they just gave me was wrong, then smile and tell me you deal with it. At this rate I'll need a full time logbook ticket fighting person to run a 5 truck fleet. Art Pfluger

Replied on Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 12:48 PM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Dan you must remember that the majority of officer's today use the presumption that they can issue you any citation or CSA documents they want to. I have officer's tell me to my face that a CSA ticket they just gave me was wrong, then smile and tell me you deal with it. At this rate I'll need a full time logbook ticket fighting person to run a 5 truck fleet.

Art Pfluger

Replied on Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 12:58 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Oh I forgot don’t think very fast. Am probably qualified to us this site as am friends with H & S truck brokerage SALINA,KS who is a paying member of Bulkloads. Also they do quick pay with no fee.

Replied on Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 03:38 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Yesterday we clearly got points, however OOIDA says they'll assist me. I haul a clearly on the list product one direction. The other I haul a product with no other possible use than farm use. Clearly marked that way on BOL. OOIDA says treat as exempt. Called Az FMCSA office and they were adamant that it's not on the list therefore I have to run ELD one way and paper the other way. I can use eld both ways if I want. This is to confusing. I can also use the sir mile exemption for the first 172 miles and not log those miles, but everyone agrees that there will be officer's that don't understand or agree and then I'll have to fight to get wrongful info off our records. I spent about double what I thought trying to comply. Now I'm ending up with days getting clarification and fighting with all concerned. This is rediculous. Then the commodity brokers are beating on us over Penny's on these rates that are to cheap to start with. There needs to be an end point soon or I'll be forced to park. Art Pfluger Yeah I know don't let the screen door hitme in the ass on the way out" As long as its on the list you are excempt and if you see a #1 beside the listing it aslo is excempt and long as its going to livestock feed. And if you use the EOBR recorder before dec.18 of this year you do not have to use the ELD side of it.

Replied on Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 03:38 PM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "Yesterday we clearly got points, however OOIDA says they'll assist me. I haul a clearly on the list product one direction. The other I haul a product with no other possible use than farm use. Clearly marked that way on BOL. OOIDA says treat as exempt. Called Az FMCSA office and they were adamant that it's not on the list therefore I have to run ELD one way and paper the other way. I can use eld both ways if I want. This is to confusing. I can also use the sir mile exemption for the first 172 miles and not log those miles, but everyone agrees that there will be officer's that don't understand or agree and then I'll have to fight to get wrongful info off our records. I spent about double what I thought trying to comply. Now I'm ending up with days getting clarification and fighting with all concerned. This is rediculous. Then the commodity brokers are beating on us over Penny's on these rates that are to cheap to start with. There needs to be an end point soon or I'll be forced to park. Art Pfluger Yeah I know don't let the screen door hitme in the ass on the way out"

As long as its on the list you are excempt and if you see a #1 beside the listing it aslo is excempt and long as its going to livestock feed. And if you use the EOBR recorder before dec.18 of this year you do not have to use the ELD side of it.

Replied on Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 12:03 PM CST + 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I have been using an ELD for about half a year. For the last couple years I have hauled 2 loads a day 5 days per week. It is 127 miles between the shipper and receiver. I am rarely on site at either end more than 30 minutes. The route is all Iowa 2 lane road. I could get it done legally provided no delays happened. Any repair to the equipment or delay at the shipper or reciever had the potential to derail the week enough to loose a load. Recently I was asked to quote some loads. I didn't have any experience with either the shippers or the reciever so I believe I had to cover my fixed costs on 2000 miles per week rather than 2500. That's a decrease of 2000 miles per month. That really increases my breakeven point. I'm guessing I was underbid as I've heard no more from them. When I had the rate quote ready for sending, I just told my wife "Better they laugh their asses off at that rate now than everyone else laughing at me in 6 months when I'm broke because I wanted the business so bad I didn't even cover my costs" It will take a while for things to come back into an equalibrium. I believe when it does, they might wish they had accepted those rates.

Replied on Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 12:03 PM CST

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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

I have been using an ELD for about half a year. For the last couple years I have hauled 2 loads a day 5 days per week. It is 127 miles between the shipper and receiver. I am rarely on site at either end more than 30 minutes. The route is all Iowa 2 lane road. I could get it done legally provided no delays happened. Any repair to the equipment or delay at the shipper or reciever had the potential to derail the week enough to loose a load. Recently I was asked to quote some loads. I didn't have any experience with either the shippers or the reciever so I believe I had to cover my fixed costs on 2000 miles per week rather than 2500. That's a decrease of 2000 miles per month. That really increases my breakeven point.

I'm guessing I was underbid as I've heard no more from them. When I had the rate quote ready for sending, I just told my wife "Better they laugh their asses off at that rate now than everyone else laughing at me in 6 months when I'm broke because I wanted the business so bad I didn't even cover my costs"

It will take a while for things to come back into an equalibrium. I believe when it does, they might wish they had accepted those rates.

Replied on Mon, Jan 01, 2018 at 07:51 AM CST + 4
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. My experiences are simple. I have two of my trucks that fell into the compliance guidelines. I installed ELD’s in both Trucks and now I am short two drivers.

Replied on Mon, Jan 01, 2018 at 06:29 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "My experiences are simple. I have two of my trucks that fell into the compliance guidelines. I installed ELD’s in both Trucks and now I am short two drivers. " Damn!!! Not good!!!

Replied on Mon, Jan 01, 2018 at 10:00 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Yesterday we clearly got points, however OOIDA says they'll assist me. I haul a clearly on the list product one direction. The other I haul a product with no other possible use than farm use. Clearly marked that way on BOL. OOIDA says treat as exempt. Called Az FMCSA office and they were adamant that it's not on the list therefore I have to run ELD one way and paper the other way. I can use eld both ways if I want. This is to confusing. I can also use the sir mile exemption for the first 172 miles and not log those miles, but everyone agrees that there will be officer's that don't understand or agree and then I'll have to fight to get wrongful info off our records. I spent about double what I thought trying to comply. Now I'm ending up with days getting clarification and fighting with all concerned. This is rediculous. Then the commodity brokers are beating on us over Penny's on these rates that are to cheap to start with. There needs to be an end point soon or I'll be forced to park. Art Pfluger Yeah I know don't let the screen door hitme in the ass on the way out" The 90 day waiver is for Ag Commodities as defined in FMSCR. That says Ag commodities are grain, fiber, insects, & livestock that are unprocessed and produced on a farm. Everything else is a "farm supply" which does NOT qualify for the 90 day waiver. Farm supplies are included in the 150 mile Ag exemption from HOS but they where not included in the waiver! I realize this is probably not what you want to hear but it is the way the rule and waiver are written. Good luck with your defense with the DOT / FMSCA! Just trying to help clear the mudd......learning as we go.

Replied on Mon, Jan 01, 2018 at 10:00 PM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

The 90 day waiver is for Ag Commodities as defined in FMSCR. That says Ag commodities are grain, fiber, insects, & livestock that are unprocessed and produced on a farm.

Everything else is a "farm supply" which does NOT qualify for the 90 day waiver.

Farm supplies are included in the 150 mile Ag exemption from HOS but they where not included in the waiver!

I realize this is probably not what you want to hear but it is the way the rule and waiver are written.

Good luck with your defense with the DOT / FMSCA!

Just trying to help clear the mudd......learning as we go.

Replied on Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 08:52 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Everyone thought it would be someone else's drivers that would quit, and that rates would go up. Here we are, the second week into the mandate and rates are unchanged here in bulk land. All that's changed is that folks have more trucks parked now, and less drivers in their fleets.

Replied on Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 09:07 PM CST + 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. It seems tragic, at a time when every business owner complains that they can't find anyone who wants to work, we have drivers who want to work, but are not allowed to.

Replied on Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 09:19 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Everyone thought it would be someone else's drivers that would quit, and that rates would go up. Here we are, the second week into the mandate and rates are unchanged here in bulk land. All that's changed is that folks have more trucks parked now, and less drivers in their fleets. " Have we ever seen a true rate increase. I've been trucking 39 years the rate pm that most people go by is actually less than it was 25 years ago

Replied on Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 09:19 PM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "Everyone thought it would be someone else's drivers that would quit, and that rates would go up. Here we are, the second week into the mandate and rates are unchanged here in bulk land. All that's changed is that folks have more trucks parked now, and less drivers in their fleets. "

Have we ever seen a true rate increase. I've been trucking 39 years the rate pm that most people go by is actually less than it was 25 years ago

Replied on Wed, Jan 03, 2018 at 08:46 PM CST + 1 - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. $$$

Replied on Thu, Jan 04, 2018 at 04:12 PM CST - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Seems to me that a 60 cent increase in fuel from a year ago and added eld cost and eld's resticting ability to efficiently haul the freight has got zero impact in this industry. load boards are stable and rates are flat from a year ago.

Replied on Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 02:39 PM CST - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Not to start an argument, but we all can see with elds these rates haven't gotten better and probably won't get better any time soon what would be wrong with all of these exceptions being thrown out and every truck out there would have to have elds might take a lot of the wanna be truckers out of the market and maybe these rates would inprove. Just a thought

Replied on Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 02:39 PM CST

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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Not to start an argument, but we all can see with elds these rates haven't gotten better and probably won't get better any time soon what would be wrong with all of these exceptions being thrown out and every truck out there would have to have elds might take a lot of the wanna be truckers out of the market and maybe these rates would inprove. Just a thought

Replied on Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 05:14 PM CST - 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. What?s sad is that you felt like you had to explain that to your fellow truckers. What?s even sadder is the number of truckers that couldn?t figure it out without you

Replied on Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 08:04 PM CST + 1
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. So if I understand some of you correctly, and I hope I'm wrong, your going to sit back and wait for a government regulation to bring rates up to what you feel is profitable? That to me is wrong on so many levels. I can't one finger type that much. I'll leave it at good luck with your theory. Art Pfluger

Replied on Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 08:19 PM CST + 2
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Not to start an argument, but we all can see with elds these rates haven't gotten better and probably won't get better any time soon what would be wrong with all of these exceptions being thrown out and every truck out there would have to have elds might take a lot of the wanna be truckers out of the market and maybe these rates would inprove. Just a thought" It might be more profitable for you if you put your efforts and thoughts on your company rather than worrying who does not fall under the mandate or what others are doing or more importantly not doing . As art said good luck on imbraceing the government

Replied on Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 08:19 PM CST

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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "Not to start an argument, but we all can see with elds these rates haven't gotten better and probably won't get better any time soon what would be wrong with all of these exceptions being thrown out and every truck out there would have to have elds might take a lot of the wanna be truckers out of the market and maybe these rates would inprove. Just a thought"

It might be more profitable for you if you put your efforts and thoughts on your company rather than worrying who does not fall under the mandate or what others are doing or more importantly not doing . As art said good luck on imbraceing the government

Replied on Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 11:42 PM CST + 5
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Our country men fight and die as we speak so that we are free to choose. Yet there are so many of you sheep that won't spend any of your time, experience or wealth to keep the ability to operate a business as a free person. Your to damn lazy to fight for your business, it's easier to let a government reg change the playing field. It's easier to screw your neighbor on a rate than make even the smallest attempt to work together. It's appalling. Just look how we treat each other in a truck stop or a shipper receiver. You'll pass a guy in a grain line rather than wake him up. So you gain a few minutes or a buck. If anyone of you think that some electronic device will keep the roads safer, please leave this business, your stupid and a danger to my family. If you aren't smart enough to know your own safety limits get a different job. Wake up drivers, stop worrying about fair and put effort into competing and electing better representatives. Art Pfluger

Replied on Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 11:42 PM CST

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Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Our country men fight and die as we speak so that we are free to choose. Yet there are so many of you sheep that won't spend any of your time, experience or wealth to keep the ability to operate a business as a free person. Your to damn lazy to fight for your business, it's easier to let a government reg change the playing field. It's easier to screw your neighbor on a rate than make even the smallest attempt to work together. It's appalling. Just look how we treat each other in a truck stop or a shipper receiver. You'll pass a guy in a grain line rather than wake him up. So you gain a few minutes or a buck. If anyone of you think that some electronic device will keep the roads safer, please leave this business, your stupid and a danger to my family. If you aren't smart enough to know your own safety limits get a different job. Wake up drivers, stop worrying about fair and put effort into competing and electing better representatives.

Art Pfluger

Replied on Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 02:35 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. Quote: "Our country men fight and die as we speak so that we are free to choose. Yet there are so many of you sheep that won't spend any of your time, experience or wealth to keep the ability to operate a business as a free person. Your to damn lazy to fight for your business, it's easier to let a government reg change the playing field. It's easier to screw your neighbor on a rate than make even the smallest attempt to work together. It's appalling. Just look how we treat each other in a truck stop or a shipper receiver. You'll pass a guy in a grain line rather than wake him up. So you gain a few minutes or a buck. If anyone of you think that some electronic device will keep the roads safer, please leave this business, your stupid and a danger to my family. If you aren't smart enough to know your own safety limits get a different job. Wake up drivers, stop worrying about fair and put effort into competing and electing better representatives. Art Pfluger" You are absolutely spot on. I see it everyday. i haul 68000 i

Replied on Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 02:35 PM CST

Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.

Quote: "Our country men fight and die as we speak so that we are free to choose. Yet there are so many of you sheep that won't spend any of your time, experience or wealth to keep the ability to operate a business as a free person. Your to damn lazy to fight for your business, it's easier to let a government reg change the playing field. It's easier to screw your neighbor on a rate than make even the smallest attempt to work together. It's appalling. Just look how we treat each other in a truck stop or a shipper receiver. You'll pass a guy in a grain line rather than wake him up. So you gain a few minutes or a buck. If anyone of you think that some electronic device will keep the roads safer, please leave this business, your stupid and a danger to my family. If you aren't smart enough to know your own safety limits get a different job. Wake up drivers, stop worrying about fair and put effort into competing and electing better representatives. Art Pfluger"

You are absolutely spot on. I see it everyday.
i haul 68000 i

Replied on Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 01:52 PM CST
Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member.	Posted by a private BulkLoads.com member. I agree