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So what kind of example has been set?

Mar 30, 2017 at 09:16 PM CST
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So listening to landline radio off the satellite tonight, it was reported that fmcsa hosted a meeting at Louisville this year. And that they told everyone not to bother sending tweats to president trump anymore that ask him to repeal the ELD mandate. They openly said they plan to ignore his executive order, should he issue one, and that this is a done deal. Is that not demonstrating non compliance, by a government agency? Not to mention a bias? You just ignore what the highest office in the land, told you to do? Noncompliance from the folks who always lecture everyone about compliance?
Replied on Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:58 PM CST
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If there are any Russian computer hackers out there, you may want to look into the ATA's computers.
Replied on Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 11:50 PM CST
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if that in fact is what they said quoted then someone needs to get the director of the fmcsa to put that in writing with his stamp and signature if that is what is intended and it should be distributed to all drivrs that want a copy. and then ignore the executive order by the fmcsa that mandate eld's

Replied on Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 07:15 AM CST
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If fmcsa can ignore the government, does that mean we can also?
Replied on Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:15 AM CST
FMCSA What a joke! They are like the NAZI's! They tell you one thing and then don't follow through with their policies!
Replied on Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 04:43 PM CST
They have been bought and paid for. When they killed the ICC, the FMCSA became the Mega''s way to have laws implemented to keep us Independents from being able to possibly grow. I wonder what the general public would think if they could see the accidents reported. They most likely would not care.


We now have the poopershittens working for the Mega Coporations. We the people is more like we the sheeple.
Replied on Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 11:40 AM CST
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Well, when are all of you going to realize it's not the ELD that is the problem? Quit complaining about this mandate. Use it to your advantage. Everyone who complains about this is doing exactly what the FMCSA is telling the public....we are driving over hours. That is where the problem lies. It's the HOS!!! But you all are overlooking that issue. Sure, all of us require different sleep patterns. But until we change HOS, we will either be compliant, or not. Not being over hours. Good luck with trying to explain that one if you have an accident. Just use it to your advantage to the shippers, brokers, receivers. It will take just a little time before it bites them in the butt.
Replied on Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 12:41 PM CST
What about the folks that load their wagons up as full as they can get them? Let us not forget that one, I have done that myself until I realized that my rig was a creaking and telling me to cut that shit out. The only people that win when you overload are the shipper and the receiver.
Replied on Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 01:17 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: DAVE NICKEL
Quote: "Well, when are all of you going to realize it's not the ELD that is the problem? Quit complaining about this mandate. Use it to your advantage. Everyone who complains about this is doing exactly what the FMCSA is telling the public....we are driving over hours. That is where the problem lies. It's the HOS!!! But you all are overlooking that issue. Sure, all of us require different sleep patterns. But until we change HOS, we will either be compliant, or not. Not being over hours. Good luck with trying to explain that one if you have an accident. Just use it to your advantage to the shippers, brokers, receivers. It will take just a little time before it bites them in the butt."

The problem of low rates will not dissapear because of electronic logs being forced on us by your slave masters. Low rates are the result of competition in a deregulated market. Electronic logs will not prevent competition out here. As long as there are idiots being exploited by the greedy puppet masters, nothing with rates will change. In fact it may drive rates even lower, because as many of us become frustrated and leave the industry, we will be replaced by people of lower intelligence who will work even cheaper, like all of these refugees coming into the industry right now. Just go down to the prorate office in St. Paul mn and look at all these Somalians applying for authorities or plates, that sit and argue with the people behind the counter. Then they get mad when they dont get their way, and they start babbling in some jibberish that no one can understand. They are to stupid to even fill out the paperwork correctly. Then they become biligerent and violent, blaming the other person behind the counter for their own stupidity. These are the people that you will be bidding against for rates. I have to wonder how much money the ATA is paying you to betray the rest of us. You sir are definitely a traitor amongst us.
Replied on Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 01:52 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DAVE NICKEL
Quote: "Well, when are all of you going to realize it's not the ELD that is the problem? Quit complaining about this mandate. Use it to your advantage. Everyone who complains about this is doing exactly what the FMCSA is telling the public....we are driving over hours. That is where the problem lies. It's the HOS!!! But you all are overlooking that issue. Sure, all of us require different sleep patterns. But until we change HOS, we will either be compliant, or not. Not being over hours. Good luck with trying to explain that one if you have an accident. Just use it to your advantage to the shippers, brokers, receivers. It will take just a little time before it bites them in the butt."

I will Agree with you that it is more of a hours of service problem, than a electronic problem. And I will agree that this is going to blow up in their face. However I will not just bend over, that is the mentality that brought us here to start with. Truckers have turned the other cheek for far to long, and look where it has gotten us. We have less rights now than a animal does.
Replied on Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 02:23 PM CST
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I resent you very much when you called me a traitor. You don't know me at all, and I'm sure not calling you names because you disagree. It's a regulation. Just like your insurances and everything else you need to be legal. Maybe you should complain about that too??? I'm simply stating to "think out side the box instead of acting like a whipped dog that's chained to a tree. Get smarter and work that way not harder!!! I'm helping make America Great Again, I'm NO TRATIOR!!! Don't you ever forget that!!!!
Replied on Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 02:33 PM CST
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Well some of us have taken their shit bag ELD's and now use the very puppet masters laws against them. If I am a traitor for understanding how to play the game and use their tools against them, then so be it. I don't write the laws I just dance on the fringe often times called the gray. Until we the people start requiring accountability of the lawmakers they will continue to write laws that benefit the Mega Corporations.

The only true traitors are the poopershittens and their puppet masters. They are the ones that need to be tried and hung for treason, not those of us that have chosen to use their rules against them.
Replied on Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 03:37 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: DAVE NICKEL
Quote: "I resent you very much when you called me a traitor. You don't know me at all, and I'm sure not calling you names because you disagree. It's a regulation. Just like your insurances and everything else you need to be legal. Maybe you should complain about that too??? I'm simply stating to "think out side the box instead of acting like a whipped dog that's chained to a tree. Get smarter and work that way not harder!!! I'm helping make America Great Again, I'm NO TRATIOR!!! Don't you ever forget that!!!!"

I will admit I came off rather hard on you, I should have been more polite. If you want to run electronic logs for your self, that's your call. When you start telling the government that I should have them now your sticking your nose where it don't belong. None of us on my side are trying to take your electronic log away from you, we are saying we don't want one. When you tell us we should stop fighting this and just roll over, you have chosen a side. Therefore you have sided against us. That is betrayal, is it not? It's a simple question.
Replied on Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 03:57 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "Well some of us have taken their shit bag ELD's and now use the very puppet masters laws against them. If I am a traitor for understanding how to play the game and use their tools against them, then so be it. I don't write the laws I just dance on the fringe often times called the gray. Until we the people start requiring accountability of the lawmakers they will continue to write laws that benefit the Mega Corporations. The only true traitors are the poopershittens and their puppet masters. They are the ones that need to be tried and hung for treason, not those of us that have chosen to use their rules against them."

Alfred I have this conversation with you, and as I recall you said they should be voulantary, not mandatory. Therefore you have not sided against the rest of us, therefore you are not a traitor. You have not advocated taking anyone's freedom away. I am simply tired of hearing all the lies the ATA puts out. If these were so great the ATA wouldn't have to hire a mercenary to shove them down our throat with the barrel of a gun, the people would be doing it on their own. There lies the difference between freedom and oppression . Trump was only the first step in rising up against our oppressors, if the slime balls want to keep taking money from the ATA, we will throw there ass out of office too. I am getting closer to retiring from this industry, and when I do I am starting a organization to neutrolize the ATA. ATA consider yourself on notice!
Replied on Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 07:53 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: DAVE WINTERS
Quote: "Alfred I have this conversation with you, and as I recall you said they should be voulantary, not mandatory. Therefore you have not sided against the rest of us, therefore you are not a traitor. You have not advocated taking anyone's freedom away. I am simply tired of hearing all the lies the ATA puts out. If these were so great the ATA wouldn't have to hire a mercenary to shove them down our throat with the barrel of a gun, the people would be doing it on their own. There lies the difference between freedom and oppression . Trump was only the first step in rising up against our oppressors, if the slime balls want to keep taking money from the ATA, we will throw there ass out of office too. I am getting closer to retiring from this industry, and when I do I am starting a organization to neutrolize the ATA. ATA consider yourself on notice!"

Heres an analogy that i think describes the trucking industry......if you throw a frog in a pot of boiling water its gonna do his absolute best to get the hell outta there.But if you put that that same frog in a pot of cold water and turn on the burner, it will let itself boil to death. Think about it.
Replied on Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 10:46 PM CST
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You wine about e logs but if we just refused to put them in maybe they shut you down but if half the trucks stoped hauling the country would get hungry
Replied on Sun, Apr 02, 2017 at 10:03 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: BRETT SAVILLE
Quote: "You wine about e logs but if we just refused to put them in maybe they shut you down but if half the trucks stoped hauling the country would get hungry "

Ok then let's refuse to run logbooks! Let's shut down and give them the what for!!! Don't hafta be because of elds. Could be because of the overweight laws. Or drug testing....get this point. It's not the elds, or weight issues, or drug testing. Geez... its the industry as a whole. Do you really think half the trucks will shut down because you want them to? So shut Dow because you're not making enough money? I bet you don't know your profit margin whether you run legal or illegal. You can't think an eld with break you! If that's the case, you should be broke now. Because of your logging practices. That is my point.
Why are they MAKING US use elds? Let's address THAT SINGLE ISSUE! Give that a try. I don't even hafta use them hardly. But the rules are that I must. If you don't want to, don't. Then next December, I'll ask you how many times you've been put out of service. What if they repeal the mandate next March, but YOU have been ticketed a whole bunch of times and because of that, your CSA score is very high. Then here comes the repeal, and you're out of business because you're CSA score blows! Maybe think that way instead of being that dog tied to the tree!!!! If ANYONE thinks this is not the way it's going to be, you are very uninformed. The VERY FIRST QUESTION from my shipper??? What is your CSA score.
Good luck shutting all of us down. Just like farmers going on strike in the wintertime. Have a nice day!
Replied on Sun, Apr 02, 2017 at 10:14 AM CST
Originally Posted by: BRETT SAVILLE
Quote: "You wine about e logs but if we just refused to put them in maybe they shut you down but if half the trucks stoped hauling the country would get hungry "

If a government agency can ignore a executive order from the highest office in the land, than law and order no longer matter. They have given birth to anarchy, and will find themselves on the loosing side of public opinion. When a guard dog attacks it's owner, it is usually put down. The big reason the ATA wants this so bad is becuase their stock prices are being threatend. The megga fleets can no longer find drivers anymore, therefore they have already peaked, and cannot gain market share. When your company is unable to grow, you are no longer considered a good investment on wall street. Without any money comming in from stock prices, their check book is empty, and they are doomed. Right now the megga fleets are begging their competitors to cover their freight for them, becuase they don't have the drivers to cover it anymore. Then you see them going out and trying to find local work, because they feel they can still find drivers to do that kind of stuff, so they are desperate to maintain market share right now. You now see JBH running around Iowa hualing scrap metal with daycabs, pulling garbage trailers around, they even have small delivery vans running around. About the only thing they dont have at this point is TAXI CABS. They are now hauling some of the lowest priced freight out their, Thats how desperate they are for drivers. They are on their deathbed right now.
Replied on Sun, Apr 02, 2017 at 11:52 AM CST
I find it interesting you mentioned the samolians, I have already been directly affected by them. I was told about a mail carrier needind help I submitted all the the required paper work but never heard anything, ran into a employee of theirs and learned why... they are hiring samolians who will do it cheaper
Replied on Sun, Apr 02, 2017 at 12:25 PM CST
Originally Posted by: GRAYDON STEINER
Quote: "I find it interesting you mentioned the samolians, I have already been directly affected by them. I was told about a mail carrier needind help I submitted all the the required paper work but never heard anything, ran into a employee of theirs and learned why... they are hiring samolians who will do it cheaper"

These are the people who will replace us when we leave the market, and they are the ones who will be setting the rates when we are gone. Have you ever noticed how the companies hauling gas or hazmat chemicals never hire them, there is a reason for that. It may explain why the oil and chemical industries sent a letter to trump asking him to repeal the ELD mandate.
Replied on Sun, Apr 02, 2017 at 02:04 PM CST
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I am not worried about being politically correct, that chapter in world history has ran it's course . Look at where we were thirty years ago, and look where we are now. Thirty years ago we had real drivers, that could adjust brakes, change oil, grease a truck, and rewire it along side the road. They could shift a twin stick transmission blindfolded, load and unload they're own freight by hand, with no forklift. Today they can't even drive a truck with a automatic transmission, or change a lightbulb, not to mention back into a loading dock. That is what the ATA and the meggafleets have done to the industry. There answer to retaining drivers is to get the government to force the rest of us to operate the same way we do, adopt there failed methods.
Replied on Sun, Apr 02, 2017 at 02:32 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DAVE WINTERS
Quote: "I am not worried about being politically correct, that chapter in world history has ran it's course . Look at where we were thirty years ago, and look where we are now. Thirty years ago we had real drivers, that could adjust brakes, change oil, grease a truck, and rewire it along side the road. They could shift a twin stick transmission blindfolded, load and unload they're own freight by hand, with no forklift. Today they can't even drive a truck with a automatic transmission, or change a lightbulb, not to mention back into a loading dock. That is what the ATA and the meggafleets have done to the industry. There answer to retaining drivers is to get the government to force the rest of us to operate the same way we do, adopt there failed methods."

Dave while I agree with you that the trucker today is not the trucker of the past.

I also agree that the ATA is using their lobbying dollars to influence the poopershittens for their advantage. They are just tired of us Independents eroding the marketplace away, after they have built it back up.

I also agree that their teaching methods today are not as good as they once were. It used to be that a trucker had to have some experience before they could even get hired onto a Mega. The ATA members had the desireable jobs in trucking and the little guys were the place to start your carreer off. Things have reversed, now they are where you start and maybe the little guy takes you on if you are qualified to their standards. We all want to put all the blame on the Mega-Carriers, I do not, the Mega's of Old were fighting deregulation tooth and nail. They had it good under the old regulatory program. There were only about 100,000 little Independents back then, do you really believe that they could get deregulation pushed through. If the ATA and the Union were opposed to deregulation, and there were very few brokers around at that time. Who were the real ones that wanted deregulation to occur. That would be the Mega Corporations (Shippers), these are the folks that are really pushing the money or their causes. We trucking companies Mega and small alike are really just disposable turds that can be flushed down the toilet at a whim of the shippers. Look at all the old giants of the ATA, most of them are now gone and have been replaced by the new breed of Mega-Carrier. The cycle will continue until we Independents first decide to work with one another for the common cause of Freedom with Integrity for our industry. You will then find the boys at the ATA more than willing to work with us instead of against us. If we all have a common cause and know it, then we will be successful. They seem to be able to work together for their cause, why then can't we? Wake up people and look in the mirror first, find out if you are the problem. If your lack of knowledge is the problem then quit being lazy and start studying your industries history. How in the hell can a guy like me come into this industry and know more than some of you that have been at it for over forty years? I study to show myself approved.

Here is a historical link for those of you that want to see the truth about the ATA fighting against deregulation. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiLu9b1vIbTAhVY7GMKHWjvCrIQFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Farchives.chicagotribune.com%2F1979%2F09%2F11%2Fpage%2F54%2Farticle%2Fbroad-coalition-backs-deregulation-but-two-powerful-forces-oppose-it&usg=AFQjCNFRlgPP9sX01ZdL4v7JefGb5BCNuw&sig2=x_wl7ruH7Pzk7hcNem34dw



Replied on Tue, Apr 04, 2017 at 12:34 PM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "Dave while I agree with you that the trucker today is not the trucker of the past. I also agree that the ATA is using their lobbying dollars to influence the poopershittens for their advantage. They are just tired of us Independents eroding the marketplace away, after they have built it back up. I also agree that their teaching methods today are not as good as they once were. It used to be that a trucker had to have some experience before they could even get hired onto a Mega. The ATA members had the desireable jobs in trucking and the little guys were the place to start your carreer off. Things have reversed, now they are where you start and maybe the little guy takes you on if you are qualified to their standards. We all want to put all the blame on the Mega-Carriers, I do not, the Mega's of Old were fighting deregulation tooth and nail. They had it good under the old regulatory program. There were only about 100,000 little Independents back then, do you really believe that they could get deregulation pushed through. If the ATA and the Union were opposed to deregulation, and there were very few brokers around at that time. Who were the real ones that wanted deregulation to occur. That would be the Mega Corporations (Shippers), these are the folks that are really pushing the money or their causes. We trucking companies Mega and small alike are really just disposable turds that can be flushed down the toilet at a whim of the shippers. Look at all the old giants of the ATA, most of them are now gone and have been replaced by the new breed of Mega-Carrier. The cycle will continue until we Independents first decide to work with one another for the common cause of Freedom with Integrity for our industry. You will then find the boys at the ATA more than willing to work with us instead of against us. If we all have a common cause and know it, then we will be successful. They seem to be able to work together for their cause, why then can't we? Wake up people and look in the mirror first, find out if you are the problem. If your lack of knowledge is the problem then quit being lazy and start studying your industries history. How in the hell can a guy like me come into this industry and know more than some of you that have been at it for over forty years? I study to show myself approved. Here is a historical link for those of you that want to see the truth about the ATA fighting against deregulation. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiLu9b1vIbTAhVY7GMKHWjvCrIQFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Farchives.chicagotribune.com%2F1979%2F09%2F11%2Fpage%2F54%2Farticle%2Fbroad-coalition-backs-deregulation-but-two-powerful-forces-oppose-it&usg=AFQjCNFRlgPP9sX01ZdL4v7JefGb5BCNuw&sig2=x_wl7ruH7Pzk7hcNem34dw "

Alfred I am not interested in swapping spit in the shower with the ATA. We have thirty years of history, and some well documented evidence that shows us nothing good comes out of it. I have a very well respected neighbor that chaired the MTA, and held a celebrity status with the ATA, until she spoke out against the Electronic log mandate. As soon as she said it was a bad idea, they threw her under the bus, and began attacking her credibility and calling her all kinds of names, after they had given given her all kinds of awards. Her name is Joyce Brent, one of the most highly accomplished women in trucking. After seeing the deplorable manner in witch they treated her, it pretty much made my mind up that the ATA is a bunch of dirt bags. Now I understand that some of you want to sell softwhere and apps to the ATA, and so you are not willing to speak out against them, or perhaps you depend on their members (big megga), to give you some of their scraps that fall from the table. Well that's why I am different from you folks. My focus is on getting to the truth, and exposing the lies! Big megga can't tell the truth about Anything. They treat their drivers like shit and so they have constant turnover. Rather than fix their own problems they look for ways to sabotage the rest of us. Why don't they pay they're lease operators more than 97 cents a mile if E-logs are so profitable? All the big megga' s are running E-logs right now, so where is all this money they tell you it's produced for them? A company driver at wall mart makes twice as much as a company at big megga.
Replied on Tue, Apr 04, 2017 at 12:37 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DAVE WINTERS
Quote: "Alfred I am not interested in swapping spit in the shower with the ATA. We have thirty years of history, and some well documented evidence that shows us nothing good comes out of it. I have a very well respected neighbor that chaired the MTA, and held a celebrity status with the ATA, until she spoke out against the Electronic log mandate. As soon as she said it was a bad idea, they threw her under the bus, and began attacking her credibility and calling her all kinds of names, after they had given given her all kinds of awards. Her name is Joyce Brent, one of the most highly accomplished women in trucking. After seeing the deplorable manner in witch they treated her, it pretty much made my mind up that the ATA is a bunch of dirt bags. Now I understand that some of you want to sell softwhere and apps to the ATA, and so you are not willing to speak out against them, or perhaps you depend on their members (big megga), to give you some of their scraps that fall from the table. Well that's why I am different from you folks. My focus is on getting to the truth, and exposing the lies! Big megga can't tell the truth about Anything. They treat their drivers like shit and so they have constant turnover. Rather than fix their own problems they look for ways to sabotage the rest of us. Why don't they pay they're lease operators more than 97 cents a mile if E-logs are so profitable? All the big megga' s are running E-logs right now, so where is all this money they tell you it's produced for them? A company driver at wall mart makes twice as much as a company at big megga. "

I meant to say Joyce Brenny. ( dam autocorrect again)
Replied on Tue, Apr 04, 2017 at 07:52 PM CST
Just because I choose to work as a mercenary to the highest bidder does not mean that I have to always like the one that hires me.

Making an app or program for the Mega's, you have to be joking right? They have systems in place that cost $100,000 plus.

I have created an app that is for the Independent Carrier that desires to run their business at a profit margin instead of a pie in the sky number.

It amazes me that a gentleman contacted me today after getting my app, we went over his numbers and reviewed them. He used to be an accountant, and just bought his rig. He stated that the app would make his life easier when bidding, at first he was skeptical until he finished the set up.

My statements were that if we the Independents could basically quit bickering like children and learn to work with one anohter, then we could stop this degradation of the market place that seems to continue. The boys at the ATA, no matter how much you dislike them seem to get this. They work for a common goal and usually only attack one of their own when they get out of line. Then they end up usually buying that individual out and send them to the ATA retirement farm.

We small guys just continue to attack one another and wonder why we remain so week. There is strength in numbers, but only when the numbers agree.
Replied on Tue, Apr 04, 2017 at 07:54 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DAVE WINTERS
Quote: "The problem of low rates will not dissapear because of electronic logs being forced on us by your slave masters. Low rates are the result of competition in a deregulated market. Electronic logs will not prevent competition out here. As long as there are idiots being exploited by the greedy puppet masters, nothing with rates will change. In fact it may drive rates even lower, because as many of us become frustrated and leave the industry, we will be replaced by people of lower intelligence who will work even cheaper, like all of these refugees coming into the industry right now. Just go down to the prorate office in St. Paul mn and look at all these Somalians applying for authorities or plates, that sit and argue with the people behind the counter. Then they get mad when they dont get their way, and they start babbling in some jibberish that no one can understand. They are to stupid to even fill out the paperwork correctly. Then they become biligerent and violent, blaming the other person behind the counter for their own stupidity. These are the people that you will be bidding against for rates. I have to wonder how much money the ATA is paying you to betray the rest of us. You sir are definitely a traitor amongst us."

With the HOS and ELD mandates, rates may rise because none of us will be able to drive because we will be off LOL
Replied on Tue, Apr 04, 2017 at 08:09 PM CST
Originally Posted by: HOWARD RASMUSSEN
Quote: "With the HOS and ELD mandates, rates may rise because none of us will be able to drive because we will be off LOL"

Maybe I can go down to 1 day a week and make all the money I need to make. Right now this 3 day a week gig is killing me. Ha Ha
Replied on Tue, Apr 04, 2017 at 09:58 PM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "Just because I choose to work as a mercenary to the highest bidder does not mean that I have to always like the one that hires me. Making an app or program for the Mega's, you have to be joking right? They have systems in place that cost $100,000 plus. I have created an app that is for the Independent Carrier that desires to run their business at a profit margin instead of a pie in the sky number. It amazes me that a gentleman contacted me today after getting my app, we went over his numbers and reviewed them. He used to be an accountant, and just bought his rig. He stated that the app would make his life easier when bidding, at first he was skeptical until he finished the set up. My statements were that if we the Independents could basically quit bickering like children and learn to work with one anohter, then we could stop this degradation of the market place that seems to continue. The boys at the ATA, no matter how much you dislike them seem to get this. They work for a common goal and usually only attack one of their own when they get out of line. Then they end up usually buying that individual out and send them to the ATA retirement farm. We small guys just continue to attack one another and wonder why we remain so week. There is strength in numbers, but only when the numbers agree."

Alfred I find it intersesting that you assume I am refering to to you specifically on the conflict of interest matter. While I was aware you had a app you designed for the independents, I don't remember you saying that you had one for the megga's, so I am not sure where your getting that from. On the matter of selling yourself the highest bidder and not feeling good about yourself or the people you work with, well I cannot help you with that. On the matter of the ATA working together with people, I would say you are entirely wrong, Based on the Joyce Brenny experience with the ATA. The independent carriers group is your mission, and mine is exposing the truth. The organization I am building has a different mission from that of the independent carriers group, we on my side of the isle are interested in protecting the drivers interest as well as the carriers interest. We seek to bring a end to the hostile work environment that many drivers are forced to endure, witch was created by the ATA, and their willing accomplices at FMCSA.
Replied on Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 11:13 AM CST
Replied on Thu, Apr 06, 2017 at 11:49 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: DAVE NICKEL
Quote: "Well, when are all of you going to realize it's not the ELD that is the problem? Quit complaining about this mandate. Use it to your advantage. Everyone who complains about this is doing exactly what the FMCSA is telling the public....we are driving over hours. That is where the problem lies. It's the HOS!!! But you all are overlooking that issue. Sure, all of us require different sleep patterns. But until we change HOS, we will either be compliant, or not. Not being over hours. Good luck with trying to explain that one if you have an accident. Just use it to your advantage to the shippers, brokers, receivers. It will take just a little time before it bites them in the butt."

the problem is none of the shippers, brokers or receivers are mandated like the truck, they don;t care how long it takes to load or offload. just because you have your time marked does not mean they will pay you for it.
Replied on Thu, Apr 06, 2017 at 01:16 PM CST
Originally Posted by: NANCY HARDER
Quote: "the problem is none of the shippers, brokers or receivers are mandated like the truck, they don;t care how long it takes to load or offload. just because you have your time marked does not mean they will pay you for it."

No pay, no pull. Or just bump up the price the next time.
Replied on Thu, Apr 06, 2017 at 06:28 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "No pay, no pull. Or just bump up the price the next time."

Alfred that would work if supply and demand mattered, witch you said does not, with your penny, nickel, dime, quarter analogy that you have laid out. Are you now reversing your position on that? Because for the rate to go up in the scenario you just described it would have to mean that you are the only truck in the market, and that the shipper could not find anyone. I enjoy listening to your view points, but I had to point this out because I didn't see anyone else step up to the plate on this. I feel Nancy has the fix for the problem here. Until the government forces the shipper to pay up, it will not happen. I must say that it really baffles me how the ATA can tell you that rates will go up, and some of you guys fall for it, given their track record. We used to pull 40 foot dry vans, with a gross weight of 74,000. We now pull 53 foot dry vans with a gross weight of 80,000 for the same money. We used to have grain hoppers with 5 axles hauling 80,000 lbs, we now have hoppers with seven axles grossing 107,000 lbs, for the same rate per mile. Every single time we changed size and weight ratings, we got screwed. When all these guys went out and bought new trucks to run California and be C.A.R.B compliant, the rate did not go up like they told you it would. And now that they tell you Electronic logs will make rates go up, you believe them? They have offered no evidence and yet you believe them? Not to mention the fact that you will still be competing with all of these older trucks that are exempt. The trump administration has said that before any new regulation can be passed, they have to get rid of two existing regulations, so it will be next to impossible for them to go back now and rewrite the law, so that it includes all trucks, just to make it a level playing field. Soon we will be just like Cuba, driving around in antiques that we just keep rebuilding, HOW PROGRESSIVE. Thank you Obama, for bring us back to the Stone Age, soon we will all be naked and stoned, running through the woods in utopia.
Replied on Thu, Apr 06, 2017 at 09:35 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DAVE WINTERS
Quote: "Alfred that would work if supply and demand mattered, witch you said does not, with your penny, nickel, dime, quarter analogy that you have laid out. Are you now reversing your position on that? Because for the rate to go up in the scenario you just described it would have to mean that you are the only truck in the market, and that the shipper could not find anyone. I enjoy listening to your view points, but I had to point this out because I didn't see anyone else step up to the plate on this. I feel Nancy has the fix for the problem here. Until the government forces the shipper to pay up, it will not happen. I must say that it really baffles me how the ATA can tell you that rates will go up, and some of you guys fall for it, given their track record. We used to pull 40 foot dry vans, with a gross weight of 74,000. We now pull 53 foot dry vans with a gross weight of 80,000 for the same money. We used to have grain hoppers with 5 axles hauling 80,000 lbs, we now have hoppers with seven axles grossing 107,000 lbs, for the same rate per mile. Every single time we changed size and weight ratings, we got screwed. When all these guys went out and bought new trucks to run California and be C.A.R.B compliant, the rate did not go up like they told you it would. And now that they tell you Electronic logs will make rates go up, you believe them? They have offered no evidence and yet you believe them? Not to mention the fact that you will still be competing with all of these older trucks that are exempt. The trump administration has said that before any new regulation can be passed, they have to get rid of two existing regulations, so it will be next to impossible for them to go back now and rewrite the law, so that it includes all trucks, just to make it a level playing field. Soon we will be just like Cuba, driving around in antiques that we just keep rebuilding, HOW PROGRESSIVE. Thank you Obama, for bring us back to the Stone Age, soon we will all be naked and stoned, running through the woods in utopia."

What I said lined up with what I always say. It is my equipment, my company, and therefor my price. NO PAY, NO PULL. SIMPLE ENOUGH.
Replied on Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 04:31 PM CST
all valid points Dave, the other big one is hours of service. you can get paid wait time all you want but in the bulk hauling world it is also about meeting the reload. no one is ever going to get compensated for missing a 4 grand reload and potential loss of business due to the driver running out of service hours at a loader or receiver. if the shipper/receiver is mandated to only take so long then at least the truck is on a fair and even playing field.
Replied on Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 08:50 PM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "What I said lined up with what I always say. It is my equipment, my company, and therefor my price. NO PAY, NO PULL. SIMPLE ENOUGH."

Alfred I believe you to be a honorable man, and I have no doubt that you would stick to your guns. The problem is not everyone is alfred. You would most likely not have a impact on the market, as the shipper would easily find someone to do it cheaper, based on thirty plus years of history. I feel you have a lot to bring to the table, and we need more people like you. What I like most about you is that you are not afraid to speak your mind, you will say what you think weather people like it or not. It does not mean that I will always agree with you, However I do respect you. Everyone of the people on this forum have something to bring to the table. I wish that we would hear more from the rest of the folks out there that read this forum, I am sure that there is a lot of talent out there going unoticed.
Replied on Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:28 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: NANCY HARDER
Quote: "all valid points Dave, the other big one is hours of service. you can get paid wait time all you want but in the bulk hauling world it is also about meeting the reload. no one is ever going to get compensated for missing a 4 grand reload and potential loss of business due to the driver running out of service hours at a loader or receiver. if the shipper/receiver is mandated to only take so long then at least the truck is on a fair and even playing field."

This is so funny. All or most of you dont want elds. Why? so you can skirt the H O S? Isnt this the problem? Why are you going to go broke because of elds? Please tell me. Shouldnt you be broke now, with paper? And, why are livestoch haulers safer than anyone else? that is just dumb. Or, when there is a natural disaster, and some State, says "lets waive the H O S, so someone can get propane, or produce, or hay. How are those drivers safer than ones that haul grain, or any other freight? You see the problem? Government involvement!!!!!!

Replied on Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:36 AM CST
Originally Posted by: DAVE WINTERS
Quote: "I will admit I came off rather hard on you, I should have been more polite. If you want to run electronic logs for your self, that's your call. When you start telling the government that I should have them now your sticking your nose where it don't belong. None of us on my side are trying to take your electronic log away from you, we are saying we don't want one. When you tell us we should stop fighting this and just roll over, you have chosen a side. Therefore you have sided against us. That is betrayal, is it not? It's a simple question. "

Where did I say that you dave Winters, must have them? All I said is that its a regulation. You should not jump to conclusions. Im stating the fact that H O S are wrong. That is where the fight should be.
Have you ever used elds? try it sometime. Its not as bad as you hear. Find out for yourself!!!!
Replied on Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 02:36 PM CST
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Replied on Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 04:49 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: DAVE NICKEL
Quote: "Well, when are all of you going to realize it's not the ELD that is the problem? Quit complaining about this mandate. Use it to your advantage. Everyone who complains about this is doing exactly what the FMCSA is telling the public....we are driving over hours. That is where the problem lies. It's the HOS!!! But you all are overlooking that issue. Sure, all of us require different sleep patterns. But until we change HOS, we will either be compliant, or not. Not being over hours. Good luck with trying to explain that one if you have an accident. Just use it to your advantage to the shippers, brokers, receivers. It will take just a little time before it bites them in the butt."

Hard consolation when a driver is stopped at the shipper too long and then has to shut down 1/2 hour from home because he plays by the rule book.
Replied on Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 05:11 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: NANCY HARDER
Quote: "Hard consolation when a driver is stopped at the shipper too long and then has to shut down 1/2 hour from home because he plays by the rule book."

So it's a hard conclusion now right? What part of this can't you understand? Please explain that to a prosecuting atty, when they find a glitch in a PLB. This is an H O S issue, plain and simple. Not an ELD problem. Most of you are admitting right here that you are "making it home no matter what." I'm NOT arguing with you, but rather explaining that this is a joke of a regulation or law or whatever you call it. I'm just saying that most need to cover their butts if they keep saying how they do things when this comes to pass. I don't remember any of you complaining about insurance regs, weight limits, brake adjustment regs, etc. why???? Please follow the ICG on Facebook for more information. I will be posting there as well.
Replied on Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 05:37 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DAVE NICKEL
Quote: "So it's a hard conclusion now right? What part of this can't you understand? Please explain that to a prosecuting atty, when they find a glitch in a PLB. This is an H O S issue, plain and simple. Not an ELD problem. Most of you are admitting right here that you are "making it home no matter what." I'm NOT arguing with you, but rather explaining that this is a joke of a regulation or law or whatever you call it. I'm just saying that most need to cover their butts if they keep saying how they do things when this comes to pass. I don't remember any of you complaining about insurance regs, weight limits, brake adjustment regs, etc. why???? Please follow the ICG on Facebook for more information. I will be posting there as well. "

well the first thing i understand that is consolation and conclusion are two different words.......next i would say bad planning all around is what makes this system fail, i made the point before that shippers and receivers are not mandated at all so i ask,,,,,,,what is it about this failure of of legislation with no stakeholder responsibilty other than the don't YOU understand????
Replied on Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 05:39 PM CST
Originally Posted by: NANCY HARDER
Quote: "well the first thing i understand that is consolation and conclusion are two different words.......next i would say bad planning all around is what makes this system fail, i made the point before that shippers and receivers are not mandated at all so i ask,,,,,,,what is it about this failure of of legislation with no stakeholder responsibilty other than the don't YOU understand????"

responsibility other than the truck.....