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The Trucker Limbo Dance

Oct 21, 2015 at 11:00 PM CST
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Just as I thought that rates could go no lower. Guess what I was wrong, they are getting so cheap that I can no longer get pissed, but it is having the adverse effect on me now. I thought I would make this little game for us to share and have fun in.

Here are the rules:
1. Post the lowest offering that you have received
2. Be creative if you name the company don't put their actual name in the post (example Powerhouse Transportation would now be Poophouse Transvestites)
3. Put the miles but don't put the actual towns
4. Let's see how low we can go

Have fun, I will start

Today I was shopping at a wordly supermarket and was offered .50 per bu for beans from Ks - MO for 311 miles. $425.00 for 850 bu, $1.36 loaded. We decided to pass at that supermarket and bounced the truck to St. Louis to pick up better freight tomorrow. We would have had to bounce 96 miles to pick up this wonderful deal, well we would be halfway to the good stuff without having to work for free.

Today I was stopped by some Cold Hard Robbers in Ok and they wanted to rob us and have us haul a load from OK - IL for 800 miles for $750.00. 45K (dry van) .93 per mile. We told the Cold Hard Robbers no thanks but if they really were hurting that bad for money that we could donate to their broker association and maybe they could learn how to actually acquire better customers you would think they would know how to do that after Robbing for over 100 years.

Hope you enjoyed these little riddles the names were changed to protect the guilty, these are actual factual offerings. Can you hear the Limbo Music playing now?

Have fun yall, How Low Can You Goooooooooooooooooooo!
Replied on Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:25 PM CST
I was offered $623 out of inola OK on a 623 mile run. I said...that's $1.00 per mile. He said yup...covering 18 loads a day at that rate. ***Attention Hopper Bottom Companies*** Let's not run our freight down any lower pass on those rates let's force them to increase.
Replied on Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 11:56 AM CST
Originally Posted by: JOSHUA KEAL
Quote: "I was offered $623 out of inola OK on a 623 mile run. I said...that's $1.00 per mile. He said yup...covering 18 loads a day at that rate. ***Attention Hopper Bottom Companies*** Let's not run our freight down any lower pass on those rates let's force them to increase."

He's telling the truth farmers will haul that stuff a $1.00 per mile back vs going empty. They belive that they are actually making money getting back to their beans, then they wonder why a lot of us are not working the harvest this year for them. With the sorry harvest that is going on whey would I want to send my hopper into a field for the garbage rates that are being paid. The sad part of this is that when the farmer is getting $1 per mile he in turn wants to pay that same $1 per mile to work the harvest for them. Screw that!!! Park the hopper and run dry van it pays more to put that product into our vans on pallets vs the hoppers.
Replied on Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 07:35 AM CST
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Alfred for a hazmat tanker load I was offered $1600+12.5%FSC to go from Houston to Suffolk, Va yesterday. At that amazing rate the driver needs a $100 respirator and its a fully dressed PPE driver pump off. 1360 miles for $1600, a pump off and spend $100 for a respirator was just too good for me so I passed.

That same broker has 5 more of those loads listed if anyone is interested.
Replied on Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 07:44 AM CST
Sign me up that is funny there, I don't care who you are.
Replied on Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 07:56 AM CST
Right now tanks are running anywhere from $3 to $4 so this $1.50 crap offers are an insult.

Hell, JB called and offered $1.75 for power only. It's amazing that el cheapo is paying more than these high dollar freight brokers.

Replied on Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 08:01 AM CST
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Yeah, I know and you don't even have the cost of the trailer with John Boy, they pay you within a few days of the load. I know guys that have done the PO with them until they got their own trailer. Not a bad way to start out if you don't have a problem with forced dispatch, at least they are paying a fair rate for their PO. Those guys were averaging $1.70 per mile for their dry van side.
Replied on Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 09:13 AM CST
One farmer here by home puts 3 of his trucks at JB every winter. He claims its a no hassle operation and his drivers like it okay.
Replied on Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:56 PM CST
We did power only with JB. Would do it again if need to. We had some new to van jidders. Driver had trouble getting BOLs sent in, and get load comps. Ended up having to buy him a tablet to keep in truck. Had issues with dock workers/lumpers or what ever their called. But over all not bad, something to keep drivers busy. But no where as much fun or as well paying as hopper work.
Replied on Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 02:10 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DANIEL CORBIN
Quote: "We did power only with JB. Would do it again if need to. We had some new to van jidders. Driver had trouble getting BOLs sent in, and get load comps. Ended up having to buy him a tablet to keep in truck. Had issues with dock workers/lumpers or what ever their called. But over all not bad, something to keep drivers busy. But no where as much fun or as well paying as hopper work. "

If these tanker loads keep getting cheaper I may send all my trucks to John Boy.

Just got off the phone with 007 Freightman. $1350 on 860 miles with a stop off over night to get new BOL for hidden shipment plus its hazmat pump off.
Replied on Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 09:35 PM CST
Originally Posted by: JERRY BECK
Quote: "If these tanker loads keep getting cheaper I may send all my trucks to John Boy. Just got off the phone with 007 Freightman. $1350 on 860 miles with a stop off over night to get new BOL for hidden shipment plus its hazmat pump off."

Jerry you ever pull for coal city cob?
Replied on Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:19 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DANIEL CORBIN
Quote: "Jerry you ever pull for coal city cob?"

Not for years I haven't. They have a good bit of stuff but most of what they broker out is about 250 miles northwest of me. I'm glad you rattled my bell I'll check back and see if they ever started moving anything near me.

When the oil slump hit it has slowed down it hut Houston hard as usual.
Replied on Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 08:03 AM CST
I had this happe twice over the past week. Called on a load, filled out the setup packet, was awaiting the rate sheet. Broker kept telling us he was waiting for the information from the customer (code words for we are bid shopping the load), now they must think we are stupid because I see the same load pop back up on the boards not only from their firm but from three others as well. Went and got another load for our truck, called the broker back and made sure that it was still a good load, he kept assuring me that it was. I informed him that his hour was up, no rate sheet no truck, we were off and running. Had to do that twice.

Next sitiution: Driver was told by the broker (that barks at the moon abd was just bought out by united big brown turd) that the customers hours were 09:00 - 15:00 on loading. Driver arrived at 14:48 after bouncing for 4 hours to get the load, checks in and the customer at Lyons, Ks says we were late. After about 5 hours and no movement of the truck to the dock, my driver calls me and tells me he is ready to close the doors and head to the truckstop. I tell him go right ahead, he calls the broker and tells them that they will have to find a new truck in the morning. The broker offers to pay detention or layover, so the driver said email that to our company. The next morning the broker then decided that they did not want to pay the agreed layover or detention. I told them to let their customer know that the salt needed to get off of our truck, and that we would never do business with either their sorry barking ass nor their parent brown turd company. They opted to send the revised rate sheet instead.

We have made a couple of decisions and here they are, beings the brokers and shippers seem not to care about our time and seem to think that we can be trampled on.

1. If we do not have a rate confirmation within 1 hr of us sending back the setup packet back. TRUCK GONE
2. If we are not loaded within 2 hours of arriving, and the customer does not want to prepay for 4 hour blocks (to include the first two hours). TRUCK GONE
3. If the broker or shipper has lied in any way, weights on the rate sheet and do not want to send a revised rate sheet. TRUCK GONE

If we continue to try and kiss the sorry arse of those that don't give a damn about us, then they will continue to try and take advantage of us and then it will be just another TRUCKER GONE OUT OF BUSINESS.

To all of you honest shippers and brokers we will continue to do business together because we understand that we need each other.

TO ALL YOU LOW LIFE DISHONEST SHIPPERS AND BROKERS I REFUSE TO GET DOWN ON MY KNEES FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!! HERE IT IS KISS MY ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Replied on Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 07:41 PM CST
Originally Posted by: JERRY BECK
Quote: "Not for years I haven't. They have a good bit of stuff but most of what they broker out is about 250 miles northwest of me. I'm glad you rattled my bell I'll check back and see if they ever started moving anything near me. When the oil slump hit it has slowed down it hut Houston hard as usual. "

I was born and raised in Coal City, IL You talking about hazmat tankers and being from Texas made me think of them. They started up there, I remember seeing their trucks pulling hoppers. My dad says they had a straight truck with a big corn sheller mounted on it. Would come to farm and shell ear corn. He said they hauled the cobs off. Thinks they went up to Chicago. There's still a few guys that drive for them up there. I see the trucks parked around town when we go back to visit.
Replied on Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 07:51 PM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "I had this happe twice over the past week. Called on a load, filled out the setup packet, was awaiting the rate sheet. Broker kept telling us he was waiting for the information from the customer (code words for we are bid shopping the load), now they must think we are stupid because I see the same load pop back up on the boards not only from their firm but from three others as well. Went and got another load for our truck, called the broker back and made sure that it was still a good load, he kept assuring me that it was. I informed him that his hour was up, no rate sheet no truck, we were off and running. Had to do that twice. Next sitiution: Driver was told by the broker (that barks at the moon abd was just bought out by united big brown turd) that the customers hours were 09:00 - 15:00 on loading. Driver arrived at 14:48 after bouncing for 4 hours to get the load, checks in and the customer at Lyons, Ks says we were late. After about 5 hours and no movement of the truck to the dock, my driver calls me and tells me he is ready to close the doors and head to the truckstop. I tell him go right ahead, he calls the broker and tells them that they will have to find a new truck in the morning. The broker offers to pay detention or layover, so the driver said email that to our company. The next morning the broker then decided that they did not want to pay the agreed layover or detention. I told them to let their customer know that the salt needed to get off of our truck, and that we would never do business with either their sorry barking ass nor their parent brown turd company. They opted to send the revised rate sheet instead. We have made a couple of decisions and here they are, beings the brokers and shippers seem not to care about our time and seem to think that we can be trampled on. 1. If we do not have a rate confirmation within 1 hr of us sending back the setup packet back. TRUCK GONE 2. If we are not loaded within 2 hours of arriving, and the customer does not want to prepay for 4 hour blocks (to include the first two hours). TRUCK GONE 3. If the broker or shipper has lied in any way, weights on the rate sheet and do not want to send a revised rate sheet. TRUCK GONE If we continue to try and kiss the sorry arse of those that don't give a damn about us, then they will continue to try and take advantage of us and then it will be just another TRUCKER GONE OUT OF BUSINESS. To all of you honest shippers and brokers we will continue to do business together because we understand that we need each other. TO ALL YOU LOW LIFE DISHONEST SHIPPERS AND BROKERS I REFUSE TO GET DOWN ON MY KNEES FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!! HERE IT IS KISS MY ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

Happens all the time. I love when they call and say they have five loads, one a day for the week. At what ever rate, and you say I really need this rate. And the broker painfuly says "ok we can do that." "What day you want" and I say I'll take them all. And the broker stumbles and back peddles. He was hopeing to make it up on the other loads. So he sends you one load comp. and then it's " oh the others fell though" Or some other excuse.
Replied on Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 06:11 PM CST
ABC a highly reputable brokerage firm from Ohio sent an email offer then called on landline to see if I was interested in a hazmat into Birmingham from Houston for $1100 plus $200 washout.

I pulled the invoice up on the last one we pulled to see how bad she was lo-balling me. We did the last one for her in April for $2100 + 32% FSC + $200 washout. When I brought that to her attention she told me yes but fuel prices have gone down since then. What a crock. My response was that driver wages and insurance hs gone up so it's still $2100 if we do it. She never called back.


Replied on Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 07:22 PM CST
Originally Posted by: JERRY BECK
Quote: "ABC a highly reputable brokerage firm from Ohio sent an email offer then called on landline to see if I was interested in a hazmat into Birmingham from Houston for $1100 plus $200 washout. I pulled the invoice up on the last one we pulled to see how bad she was lo-balling me. We did the last one for her in April for $2100 + 32% FSC + $200 washout. When I brought that to her attention she told me yes but fuel prices have gone down since then. What a crock. My response was that driver wages and insurance hs gone up so it's still $2100 if we do it. She never called back. "

Jerry my math may be a little off but if fuel cost us .75 per mile last year to run, and now cost about .50 per mile to run this year. Then by my calculations your rate should remain at $2100.00 for the line haul, $200.00 for the wash out, and 22% on FSC. The only thing that should have went down was the FSC rate, as a matter of fact I would adjust the load as follows for additional insurance cost, driver wage increase, HOS restrictions, equipment cost increase, etc.

Line Haul: $2250.00
Wash Out: $250.00
FSC: 22%

I guess the brokers have grown so used to taking the FSC as their profit that when confronted with the lower cost of fuel they now can't make enough money off of the FSC, and they are chopping the line haul down. The sad case is that we know that there are truckers out there dancing the limbo dance until that are out of business. They then will blame the brokers and the shippers for their failure instead of realizing that they are just junkies looking for thier next fix. When the junkie hits rock bottom then they become the worst kind of individuals (in our case stealing fuel, along with other items off of others). Once the junkie realizes that they are getting nowhere it is way too late.
Replied on Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 10:03 AM CST
Alfred speaking of FSC. II was going to pull a load for a broker out of Nashville. When I got the confirmation there was our agreed upon rate and separate FSC listing.

The total money did not add up so I called to see what I was figuring wrong. He informed me the law does not require him to Pass the FSC along to the truck. WTF??? Why was it even listed on my confirmation. Has it come to a point where we need a CPA to handle negotiations ??
Replied on Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 12:47 PM CST
Unfortunately the fsc doesn't need to be passed on at all to the truck.. But one needs to think.. Why in the heck does a broker need any of the fsc? What maybe to drive to and from the den at their house? Our fine politicians have allowed this to happen.. Every load has a fsc on it.. It needs to be shown separately from the rate.. Not in the rate with the percentage taken out.. I guess one could get 5 miles from the drop off point.. Call the broker.. Tell them that you are out of fuel and want the rest of your fsc.. Or you can't deliver the load.. The fsc is supposed to be passed 100% to the truck.. But no law stating that fact.
Replied on Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 02:39 PM CST
I fully understand whats happening.
The broker takes their part of the line haul then steal the fuel surcharge. Why/how would a FSC charge not go to the fuel purchaser.
Replied on Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 03:27 PM CST
I just got this in my email today (11/3/15). I thought it was so embarressingly funny I had to share it. I think i need to run out right now and buy some more dry vans for this high paying work load.


Hello,
I am working on a project which will take 20 dry van loads a month from West Nashville, TN to the Dubuque, IA area. This project will last for at least 6 months, and has the potential to get extended to a full year. These will be 40,000 lbs. of non-hazardous chemicals and they will be live load and unload. Total mileage will be 610mi. We are trying pay around $800 a piece on these in order to be considered for the bid. Please email me if you are interested.
Chris Hauk
Logistics Consultant
[email protected]
www.axlelogistics.com

Replied on Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 03:34 PM CST
Originally Posted by: CURT VISSER
Quote: "I just got this in my email today (11/3/15). I thought it was so embarressingly funny I had to share it. I think i need to run out right now and buy some more dry vans for this high paying work load. Hello, I am working on a project which will take 20 dry van loads a month from West Nashville, TN to the Dubuque, IA area. This project will last for at least 6 months, and has the potential to get extended to a full year. These will be 40,000 lbs. of non-hazardous chemicals and they will be live load and unload. Total mileage will be 610mi. We are trying pay around $800 a piece on these in order to be considered for the bid. Please email me if you are interested. Chris Hauk Logistics Consultant [email protected] www.axlelogistics.com "

Curt you're riding high on the hawg now so while you're counting your money don't forget us peons back here sweating out a living.
Replied on Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 03:39 PM CST
sorry i didnt follow your rule ALFRED JORDAN but if there brave enough to put themselves out there for that kind of rate advertisement I might be doing him a favor and somebody will see it and just maybe think its a great deal and help him out.
Replied on Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 06:40 PM CST
Originally Posted by: CURT VISSER
Quote: "sorry i didnt follow your rule ALFRED JORDAN but if there brave enough to put themselves out there for that kind of rate advertisement I might be doing him a favor and somebody will see it and just maybe think its a great deal and help him out. "

Curt, that is alright. You did not make up crap and use a real name. You just posted a copy of the email that the broker sent to you, no way you can get into legal troubles for slander or liable over that.

Pretty funny though that they think that $1.39 is a great rate. I think we should all hurry up and call that number and snag all those loads up, he can keep us busy all year on that. Problem is that most of us would be out of business in a few months if we ran like that. He can bid it that cheap and he may very well sell a few that cheap but he will spend more time on the phone tracking down ghost drivers.

Wonder if these shippers ever think about this one, you keep paying these truckers these low rates, when they get deperate your load just might not make it to the other end. I have seen that type of thing happen before, seems the driver gets knocked over the head, the truck and trailer go missing, freight goes missing, the truck and trailer seem to usually reappear without any freight.

Keep offering that low price crap to the trucker, keep lowering the bar and eventually you will break his back, and we all know what happens when a junkie gets desperate. Maybe that is what they want, they would most likely make more money on the cargo claim anyways, but the broker won't.
Replied on Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 07:06 PM CST
Sounds like a dealing I had with Jimmys Big Husslers. They were looking for somebody to hual out of Norfolk to Orlando. Dry van some kind of imported junk, maybe stuffed rats for Walt? Had to leave a drop trailer in Norfolk they would load, call and you bring empty trailer. Said maybe 10 loads a month. Now I'm new the the van world so I told em $3.00 all miles and $100 a load for trailer rental. Oh that was great, sure no problem. well they ment $3.00 a loaded mile. Or $1.50 round trip, nope $3.00 all miles if you want to put some thing on me coming back then fine. If not I'll haul air or find my own load. But it's $3.00 all miles. Needless to say it didn't work out.
Replied on Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 06:39 PM CST
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Heyyyyy Truckers!!!! Got a new low for you to beat.

Betray is wanting you to pull all the fertilizer you can for as low as .92 per mile from OK - SD. I believe they said it is reserved to get the guys back home that live up there, hope those guys are getting $4.00 per mile to go to OK from SD.

Gut it on was doing a little better at $1.19 per mile to upper MO. Good stuff right there I tell you. Just left the crap behind and headed north.


THIS IS WHY WE HAVE TO ASK FOR $4.00 PER MILE OR MORE TO GO TO THESE FREIGHT CRAPHOLES!!!

IT IS CHEAPER TO PARK THE TRUCK AND GO WORK FOR A MEGA-CARRIER FOR .50 PER MILE AS A COMPANY DRIVER!!!

IF YOU NEED TO BE HOME EVERY NIGHT, THEY HAVE LOCAL GIGS THAT PAY $15 - $20 PER HOUR

WE HAVE BEEN OFFERED A CHRISTMAS GIG FOR $1.85 ALL MILES FOR POWER ONLY WITH DRY VANS, THAT LOOKS A LOT BETTER THAN .92 - $1.19 PER MILE


HOW LOW CAN YOU GO



Replied on Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 06:59 PM CST
I hauled a load of oats Houston to la grange tx 55000 pounds paid $430 100 miles saw same load posted different broker had nothing to do that day so I called figures I'd have 200 miles total in it not quite what I like to run for but still over $2 a mile broker number 2 offered 175 flat rate I said no way she asked what I would haul it for I told her $425 she told me i would not be in business long with my rates I said neither will I hauling loads that dont even cover fuel and driver I was informed she didn't need our services
Replied on Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 07:00 PM CST
guess she planned to make $250 and the truck make $175
Replied on Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 07:03 PM CST
1.85 per mile loaded and empty power only is pretty dam good in this screwy market
Replied on Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 08:17 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: RON PERONI
Quote: "1.85 per mile loaded and empty power only is pretty dam good in this screwy market"

I agree, we are seriously entertaining it. Most of the freight will weigh 25K or less, that is way better than the hopper. I showed my hopper guys the offer and they said when do we start. I will most likely park our vans as well, the way I got it figured once the gig is up we can just all bob-tail back home hook back up to our trailers and go back to doing what we do, mercenary trucking.
Replied on Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 11:08 PM CST
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Alfred we had a broker call today for rate on a load so I emailed it back.. He called about 45 minits later and proceeded to explain how little I know about trucking by my ridiculously high rate.

I thanked him for his advice and passed on his loads. About an hour later he called back and asked why I didn't tell him I'm the only government certified carrier for this product in my area.

I told him it had slipped my mind and I'm still trying to learn the ropes. I told him we're busy but I'll work him in next week at MY rates. He sent me a signed confirmation in another few minutes.

Karma is my buddy.
Replied on Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 11:15 PM CST
Originally Posted by: JERRY BECK
Quote: "Alfred we had a broker call today for rate on a load so I emailed it back.. He called about 45 minits later and proceeded to explain how little I know about trucking by my ridiculously high rate. I thanked him for his advice and passed on his loads. About an hour later he called back and asked why I didn't tell him I'm the only government certified carrier for this product in my area. I told him it had slipped my mind and I'm still trying to learn the ropes. I told him we're busy but I'll work him in next week at MY rates. He sent me a signed confirmation in another few minutes. Karma is my buddy."

Jerry- YOU are awesome!!
Replied on Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 10:43 AM CST
Howl at the moon!!! My rate was $1200 on 375 miles...................they got it for $600....................I will just play solitaire on my computer and let them have at it........I just wonder who these trucks are that are moving it for half rate? They cut another one I had at $1600 for 510 miles.......they are running it for $700........and this is reefer loads that the unit has to run continuously to keep the air moving on the product..........I guess being in this business all my life it is time to hang it up and not try to compete with these modern day folks.........you mention 2 sticks in a Mack and they don't have a clue as to what you are talking about, bench seat, a/c was the windows rolled down and then find out that this person on the other end of the phone or computer is younger than my kids......WOW.......time to go!!!
Replied on Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 01:01 PM CST
Originally Posted by: BUTCH PAGE
Quote: "Howl at the moon!!! My rate was $1200 on 375 miles...................they got it for $600....................I will just play solitaire on my computer and let them have at it........I just wonder who these trucks are that are moving it for half rate? They cut another one I had at $1600 for 510 miles.......they are running it for $700........and this is reefer loads that the unit has to run continuously to keep the air moving on the product..........I guess being in this business all my life it is time to hang it up and not try to compete with these modern day folks.........you mention 2 sticks in a Mack and they don't have a clue as to what you are talking about, bench seat, a/c was the windows rolled down and then find out that this person on the other end of the phone or computer is younger than my kids......WOW.......time to go!!!"

I had a broker in Ohio who wanted me to sir for a day and a half because they didn't have an unload time scheduled with the receiver (I was told I did when I took the load). When they asked me what my rate was,I told him $100/hr. He started screaming at me on the phone. It took a while for me to even understand what he was saying. When he refused to lower his voice I hung up. A bit later another guy calls yelling at me telling me how long he'd been in the business and how insane I was to think that I was worth $100/hr. I explained that my number was derived from the time this particular load had taken and the hours it took to load and deliver. When he did the math there was a pause and then he hung up. In the mean time I Googled this second guy and found out all about him. His address, kids names,wife's name and the fact he had just got out college 18 months ago and his only listed work experience before the broker gig was a bun slicer at a drive thru hot dog stand. By the time they called back i was unloading their product in a warehouse and they offered me $200 to 'hold tight'. I passed and went right on home.
Replied on Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 02:02 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: JEREMY WAUGH
Quote: "I had a broker in Ohio who wanted me to sir for a day and a half because they didn't have an unload time scheduled with the receiver (I was told I did when I took the load). When they asked me what my rate was,I told him $100/hr. He started screaming at me on the phone. It took a while for me to even understand what he was saying. When he refused to lower his voice I hung up. A bit later another guy calls yelling at me telling me how long he'd been in the business and how insane I was to think that I was worth $100/hr. I explained that my number was derived from the time this particular load had taken and the hours it took to load and deliver. When he did the math there was a pause and then he hung up. In the mean time I Googled this second guy and found out all about him. His address, kids names,wife's name and the fact he had just got out college 18 months ago and his only listed work experience before the broker gig was a bun slicer at a drive thru hot dog stand. By the time they called back i was unloading their product in a warehouse and they offered me $200 to 'hold tight'. I passed and went right on home."

I always love executing that cross dock option. I usually pick a good Union company assign it to them they buy the load from me and then work out the particulars with the shipper and receiver. Funny when the get involved they somehow magically cut the broker out of the pie, so the broker that did not want to pay the proper amount for the services ends up getting nothing from the deal.

For the brokers that think $100.00 per hour is too much here is how it works, and I am going to lowball this to show you how reasonable that is.

Truck can run 50 miles per hour.

50 miles X $2.00 per mile= $100.00

Pretty simple math is it not?

Yet we consistently get told no detention, $25 per hour detention after 4 free hours, $35 per hour detention after 3 hours. We just close the doors and leave we sell our detention off at 4 hour blocks at $100.00 per hour, the shipper and broker can decide if they really need the truck. Our operators would rather be at the truckstop sitting where there are restrooms, food, etc. vs sitting on a shippers lot with no facilities and being treated like they are scum. Our operators are all ex-military and know that I will not tolerate that kind of treatment to my men as we put up with more crap from our time serving our country then any of these others can dish out. As a matter of fact we laugh each and every day at the stupidity that occurs in our industry.

If you can't have fun doing it, then why are you doing it?
If you have to work for free why not do that at home?

Trucking is ours not theirs, the sooner we realize that the sooner it will become better. If they really want to rule trucking like they are trying to do, they should buy their own trucks and find their own drivers. They don't want to do that, they can't even manage their own employees.

Do you truckers not realize the power of the word no?


Replied on Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 02:27 PM CST
Those that complain about the 100 an hour.. Probably tried to run trucks.. But it was 120 an hour.. So they got rid of the trucks.. And they think they can Bully others into 30-40 an hour and try to make it look like your lucky to get it.. I have found that the better the rate.. The better you are treated.. And the worse the rate.. You are treated worse.. And probably a freight claim.. Isn't it better to take one load for 5000 a week than 50 at 100?
Replied on Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 02:45 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: JEFF PEARSON
Quote: "Those that complain about the 100 an hour.. Probably tried to run trucks.. But it was 120 an hour.. So they got rid of the trucks.. And they think they can Bully others into 30-40 an hour and try to make it look like your lucky to get it.. I have found that the better the rate.. The better you are treated.. And the worse the rate.. You are treated worse.. And probably a freight claim.. Isn't it better to take one load for 5000 a week than 50 at 100?"

The cheaper the load the worse the customer. Don't know if that is a perception on our behalf or it really is true. My experience is that it is true, maybe it is because the cheap customers are also cheap to their own workers.

You get what you pay for!
Replied on Sat, Nov 07, 2015 at 09:00 AM CST
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I have a question. If you are spotting a load why are you worring about a fuel surcharge? You should tell broker, shipper or whomever you got the load from that it will cost them this amount from point A to point B. Each and everyone should know what it cost to run your truck from wherever to point A to point B to wherever and then be able to the person that you are getting the load from it will cost them this amount take it or leave it.

I don't even like a fuel surcharge on long term hauls. The rate sheet that many use are outdated and they are using a fuel surcharge to get the rate in line with where it should be.

Another thing about a fuel surcharge is it takes money away from the driver if they are paid percentage.



Replied on Sat, Nov 07, 2015 at 11:29 AM CST
David several of my customers will not accept a bid unless we make a separate entry for FSC.

As for driver pay the FSC has absolutely no effect whatsoever. Our driver % is figure on line hail, detention, and accessory charges.
Replied on Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 05:03 PM CST
Here you GOOOO Truckers:

.50 per mile out of Orlando to Atlanta
.76 per mile out of Tampa to Cullman, AL
.95 per mile out of Tampa to Allentown PA

Too many brokers to try and make up names for them all.

Gotta love that, good thing we charged the money to go in to Atlanta. I guess Pubelicks did not want to pay the $3 per mile for our truck to Lakeland, Fl. they decided to put it on another truck instead for cheaper. Oh well who cares they still had to pay $150.00 TONU, always get kick out of that one, at least the broker was honorable and made good on the TONU, thanks to Triple T Transport for being honorable, will work with them again anytime.
Replied on Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 07:55 AM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "Here you GOOOO Truckers: .50 per mile out of Orlando to Atlanta .76 per mile out of Tampa to Cullman, AL .95 per mile out of Tampa to Allentown PA Too many brokers to try and make up names for them all. Gotta love that, good thing we charged the money to go in to Atlanta. I guess Pubelicks did not want to pay the $3 per mile for our truck to Lakeland, Fl. they decided to put it on another truck instead for cheaper. Oh well who cares they still had to pay $150.00 TONU, always get kick out of that one, at least the broker was honorable and made good on the TONU, thanks to Triple T Transport for being honorable, will work with them again anytime."

Oh come on Alfred you're being too picky. Surely you didn't ask for more money on those loads.
Replied on Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 08:25 AM CST
Originally Posted by: JERRY BECK
Quote: "Oh come on Alfred you're being too picky. Surely you didn't ask for more money on those loads."

Jerry, I actually thought about offering to haul them for .25 per mile. You know it is just the best thing in the world to pay others to work for them. I ought to know I own the company and pay operators each and every day to make more then I do. LOL
Replied on Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 09:16 AM CST
I think about the worst load I was offered was when I was pulling a Landstar dry van around......An agent (as they called them) wanted me to run from just outside Little Rock down to Miami, FL for like .83 per mile......Sad part is some Julio out of Florida probably took it to get home..
Replied on Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 02:19 PM CST
Originally Posted by: MICHAEL LYLE
Quote: "I think about the worst load I was offered was when I was pulling a Landstar dry van around......An agent (as they called them) wanted me to run from just outside Little Rock down to Miami, FL for like .83 per mile......Sad part is some Julio out of Florida probably took it to get home.."

But youll make it up in miles... Thats what landstar always tried to tell me..
Replied on Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 02:20 AM CST
Originally Posted by: JEFF PEARSON
Quote: "But youll make it up in miles... Thats what landstar always tried to tell me.."

That is one of the reasons I left LS, two hard to make it on 67% of 95%. Ok I realized that was really about 63.65% buy often times I found that they kept even more and found my average seemed to be around 58-59% with them. It was a hard eight months leased onto them, seemed to be just running the miles on the truck and my body as well. Best move I ever made was going out on my own.
Replied on Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 09:21 AM CST
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Seen yesterday Poem ethanol had 2 months of work here in ohio loading containers. 120-130 mi round trip 2 loads a day is all the truck will get and take close to 4 1/2 hrs per trip and wanted to pay $8/ton. Thats $200 a load and $400 a day for the truck. I guess that i will keep sitting on the couch
Replied on Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:22 AM CST
Large Star called and offered $1.37 per mile yesterday. That was figured on HHG miles not on practical miles.
Replied on Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 11:10 AM CST
We were offered .25 cents per bushel on soybeans for 182 miles one way. We can haul around 900 bushels so $225 to go 182 miles ($1.24 per mile).

Fuel about 65 gallons (round trip) at 2.499 = $162.44
Insurance = $14.10/per day
Depreciation on oil change = $6.88 (Oil change every 10,000 @ 189.00 = .019 per mile)

Net Profit = $41.58 (in the money now!!!!) LOL
Replied on Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 12:29 PM CST
Originally Posted by: HOWARD RASMUSSEN
Quote: "We were offered .25 cents per bushel on soybeans for 182 miles one way. We can haul around 900 bushels so $225 to go 182 miles ($1.24 per mile). Fuel about 65 gallons (round trip) at 2.499 = $162.44 Insurance = $14.10/per day Depreciation on oil change = $6.88 (Oil change every 10,000 @ 189.00 = .019 per mile) Net Profit = $41.58 (in the money now!!!!) LOL"

WOWyou could retire on that kind of money.. What ever happened to loop miles? What these brokers shippers recievers think you can grab another load out of that town and return to pick up another load? For some reason every CHEAP load ive taken.. Some where something will be wrong.. And freight claim keeps coming up.. But that high paying load.. They are happy to see you got there and will try everything to try to make your life a little easier.. Why is that?
Replied on Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 12:34 PM CST
Howard I had a loader tell me I couldn't figure insurance or maintenance cost into the cost of doing business with him because the truck belongs to me. I think I know why he's still working in the yard with his 25 years seniority.
Replied on Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 09:34 PM CST
Cold Hard Robbers offered .75 per mile today from the Big D to KC for 44,500# and we would have to hold until Monday for them. Good stuff right there, I tell you. I did not even let the robber continue to describe the load I just hit the hang up on the phone and went back fishing.

Got my operator a decent load from Great Wide back to KC that delivers on Friday so all ended up good. Accomplished my mission got all my operators where they wanted to be for Thanksgiving and still made coin.

That is how it is supposed to work. Wonder who in the world hauled the Cold Hard Robbers load, we would have deadheaded home before we did that.
Replied on Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 07:00 AM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "Cold Hard Robbers offered .75 per mile today from the Big D to KC for 44,500# and we would have to hold until Monday for them. Good stuff right there, I tell you. I did not even let the robber continue to describe the load I just hit the hang up on the phone and went back fishing. Got my operator a decent load from Great Wide back to KC that delivers on Friday so all ended up good. Accomplished my mission got all my operators where they wanted to be for Thanksgiving and still made coin. That is how it is supposed to work. Wonder who in the world hauled the Cold Hard Robbers load, we would have deadheaded home before we did that."

The guy that took this load lives in KC and thinks he cut a fat hog because he got a 4 day weekend.
Replied on Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 10:59 PM CST
Today I was offered a load from Albuquerque to Houston 850 miles or so. I was asked what I needed and she told me they were covering them at $1 a mile. And it's a tarp load.
Then I called about a load out of Oklahoma going to California. 2,400 miles. Loads on the 4th with a stop in Minnesota on the 7th finals in California on the 8th for $2,400 this is step deck freight!
I bought this the average was higher than hoppers by a good deal. But it's in the tank now to!
I'm thinking about parking my trailer and finding apower only gig for a while.

Replied on Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 11:40 PM CST
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Don't feel bad I booked a load for my operator out of GA to Dallas 750 miles for $1300.00. They had offered me $900.00 to start. After about two hours I had still not seen the rate sheet. I called the Great White Cheeters and asked them about the rate sheet for my Friday PU and they informed me that they had covered it with another carrier. We all know that they were still shopping it out and found somebody to haul it for the $900.00. Hmmmm, I think I will maybe start calling the Great White Cheeters and booking all their loads for the initial rates they offer and then just forget to send them a signed rate sheet back, and when they call and ask after a couple of hours tell them that I already covered that truck with another broker that kept their word.
Replied on Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 07:31 AM CST
Originally Posted by: JERRY BECK
Quote: "Howard I had a loader tell me I couldn't figure insurance or maintenance cost into the cost of doing business with him because the truck belongs to me. I think I know why he's still working in the yard with his 25 years seniority."

Hahaha - obviously he has never been an owner/operator. All expenses have to be figured into doing business (our trucks are our business). We refuse to haul these cheap loads. We will park the truck before we make $41 to haul someones beans.
Replied on Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 07:35 AM CST
Originally Posted by: JERRY BECK
Quote: "ABC a highly reputable brokerage firm from Ohio sent an email offer then called on landline to see if I was interested in a hazmat into Birmingham from Houston for $1100 plus $200 washout. I pulled the invoice up on the last one we pulled to see how bad she was lo-balling me. We did the last one for her in April for $2100 + 32% FSC + $200 washout. When I brought that to her attention she told me yes but fuel prices have gone down since then. What a crock. My response was that driver wages and insurance hs gone up so it's still $2100 if we do it. She never called back. "

Fuel prices have gone down; however, the price of labor, tires, oil changes, insurance, etc. have gone up! Just because fuel has gone down does not mean our operating costs have decreased.
Replied on Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 09:39 PM CST
Originally Posted by: HOWARD RASMUSSEN
Quote: "Fuel prices have gone down; however, the price of labor, tires, oil changes, insurance, etc. have gone up! Just because fuel has gone down does not mean our operating costs have decreased."

Even with the price of fuel down to $2, my calculator shows that a hopper hauling grain (not other products) should be making at least $2.16 per mile right now. Wonder if those shippers could do it any cheaper themselves?
Replied on Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 10:11 PM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "Even with the price of fuel down to $2, my calculator shows that a hopper hauling grain (not other products) should be making at least $2.16 per mile right now. Wonder if those shippers could do it any cheaper themselves?"

Damn Scott I told a shipper today $2.38 for grain. I guess I was a little to high
Replied on Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 10:21 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: JASON WEAST
Quote: "Damn Scott I told a shipper today $2.38 for grain. I guess I was a little to high"

Had Lack of Integrity offer .96 per mile to put cow hides on the back of our dry van today.
LandFart offered a big whopping $1.00 per mile to haul paper to Western Kansas
Scooots Logistics offered $1.02 per mile for the same paper, whoa they are really jumping it up there now, LOL

I had an email for $1.35 per mile one way this morning to haul corn. That looked so good I was ready to bounce my dry van driver all the way back to Peculiar, to hook to the hopper and start running for that premium rate grain.

Oh well we bounced 200 miles to OKC and are picking up a load out of there tomorrow for $2.25 per mile including the bounce miles. Wonder which customers we will work for when the market comes back? The ones that took care of us in the down market that is who.
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 10:14 AM CST
Originally Posted by: JEFF PEARSON
Quote: "WOWyou could retire on that kind of money.. What ever happened to loop miles? What these brokers shippers recievers think you can grab another load out of that town and return to pick up another load? For some reason every CHEAP load ive taken.. Some where something will be wrong.. And freight claim keeps coming up.. But that high paying load.. They are happy to see you got there and will try everything to try to make your life a little easier.. Why is that?"

Jeff, finally go the Independent Carrier Group on line. Here is the link for you.

http://www.independentcarriergroup.com
Replied on Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 05:36 PM CST
I won't name names on this one because when I called and asked about loads. The broker said yes but your not going to like it. Worked out to a 1.42 a mile with a 100 mile deadhead. I said thanks but no thanks. We'll bounce to next load. She said understood. They have trucks and broker out the loads they can't handle/don't want to do. Said the grain buyer the farmer sold his corn to been calling wanting it moved but won't pay up. Some of these guys are trying to make up their losses on our backs.
Replied on Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 02:40 PM CST
I was just offered $1200 for 1157 miles on 48,000# van load. Rates are turning into an insult. This is the worst I've been offered lately.
Replied on Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 04:06 PM CST
The next time one of those shippers or brokers shoots you one of those ridiculously low rates and tells you it's because fuel has gone down. Ask them if they took a cut in their pay check because it doesn't cost them as much to drive to work because gas prices are down. Shuts them down every time. Doesn't do any good but it makes me feel better
Replied on Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 01:27 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: JERRY BECK
Quote: "Alfred speaking of FSC. II was going to pull a load for a broker out of Nashville. When I got the confirmation there was our agreed upon rate and separate FSC listing. The total money did not add up so I called to see what I was figuring wrong. He informed me the law does not require him to Pass the FSC along to the truck. WTF??? Why was it even listed on my confirmation. Has it come to a point where we need a CPA to handle negotiations ??"

he is full of it, this is why i flat rate everything, fsc is a scam and means nothing to the bottom line, it is only there so the middleman can keep from losing their shirt or bend the truck over, anytime someone mentions fsc charge i tell them i will use a different carrier, all of a sudden it dissappears. on the customer end i tell them, no fsc, just flat rate and they love it. fixed cost is what we want, so everyone know what they are up against. none of this fluctuating by month crap
Replied on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 07:41 AM CST
I'm with Nancy. The FSC can be a scam. The number on the bottom line is the one that matters to me and I believe my customers also. There will be adjustments from time to time. But you should have a margin that allows for the give and take.
Replied on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 07:51 AM CST
Originally Posted by: NANCY HARDER
Quote: "he is full of it, this is why i flat rate everything, fsc is a scam and means nothing to the bottom line, it is only there so the middleman can keep from losing their shirt or bend the truck over, anytime someone mentions fsc charge i tell them i will use a different carrier, all of a sudden it dissappears. on the customer end i tell them, no fsc, just flat rate and they love it. fixed cost is what we want, so everyone know what they are up against. none of this fluctuating by month crap"

I wish more shippers and brokers were like you. 2 of our direct customers and almost all freight broker we deal with fordemand the FSC be shown separately. .I have idea why.
Replied on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 08:19 AM CST
Without having a specific system in place you have to be aware of what's going on. Now fuel is getting below $2.00 gal. Soon I will need to move my rates down a little. Enough that my customers don't start looking around. I have a customer that does business by the ton. So I created a rate schedule based on $1.00 ton adjustments for fuel adjusted once a month. It was fair and in their language.
Replied on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 08:35 AM CST
Originally Posted by: DEAN HUGHSON
Quote: "I'm with Nancy. The FSC can be a scam. The number on the bottom line is the one that matters to me and I believe my customers also. There will be adjustments from time to time. But you should have a margin that allows for the give and take."

FSC, Ha Ha what a joke. Look at what OOIDA says it should be on their website. Thanks to the good old DOD adusting their baseline rate and expecting all of us to take a pay cut. We still use the old baseline in our formula and adjust as the price at the pump is today. That is how you do a spot markiet arrangement, if it is a long term contract then we do base it upon the once a week posting of the DOE.

Our established baseline is $1.00 per gallon, truck at 5 mpg:

Here is how it is supposed to work. Price at the pump $2.50 x .15 = .375 per mile FSC (based upon a truck averaging 5 mpg)

Last year here is what it was: Price at the pump $3.50 x .15 = .525 per mile FSC (based upon a truck averaging 5 mpg)

Now the actual formula is more complicated than this, I just gave you an easy one to help those of you that need a quick way to get it.

As we can see from the example there is only .15 per mile difference in the FSC, can anybody else tell me why we saw rates fall by as much as $1.50 per mile from last year to this year? Does that even make logical sense?

Supply and demand should only be effecting as to how many days your trucks are sitting vs running. Supply and demand should not be changing the rate that those trucks are running down the road at, unless you believe the lies that have been fed to you.

When desperate truckers, and desperate brokers keep slashing one another then the shippers are the winners and they play us against each other. We then continue to blame one another instead of realizing the real problem that is occuring.... Hmm think about it.

That is why we set up independentcarriergroup.com for the smaller carriers to work with each other.


Replied on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 08:52 AM CST
Originally Posted by: DEAN HUGHSON
Quote: "Without having a specific system in place you have to be aware of what's going on. Now fuel is getting below $2.00 gal. Soon I will need to move my rates down a little. Enough that my customers don't start looking around. I have a customer that does business by the ton. So I created a rate schedule based on $1.00 ton adjustments for fuel adjusted once a month. It was fair and in their language."

Lower your rate to keep the wheels turning is how I read that.

Replied on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 09:07 AM CST
Originally Posted by: DAVID HAYES
Quote: " Lower your rate to keep the wheels turning is how I read that."

Read it how ever you want. But that is not what I said. I should have known better than to get in the mud.
Replied on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 09:55 AM CST
Originally Posted by: DEAN HUGHSON
Quote: "Read it how ever you want. But that is not what I said. I should have known better than to get in the mud."

Thought I would post the latest and greatest.

Went to the supermarket of the world yesterday and they were offering .30 per bu for beans from KC to ST Louis. $255.00 for 255 miles. Good stuff right there.

At least Bartlett was offering .55 per bu for wheat for the same load. $500.00 for 255 miles, may not be the greatest but at least it was fair in this market. We need to just haul for those that are paying us at least fair rates, stay away from those that don't. They don't care if I am in business in 6 months so why should I care likewise?
Replied on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:05 AM CST
Originally Posted by: DEAN HUGHSON
Quote: "Read it how ever you want. But that is not what I said. I should have known better than to get in the mud."

Dean, I thought your way was very interesting. Each of us have our own approach to adjustment for the fuel, don't believe there is a perfect way to do it. The bottom line is when the fuel goes up (or down) the rate should adjust accordingly. This is only common sense, otherwise freight rates would be so out of control, that nothing would ever get moved. The fuel adjustment is to be a buffer on top of the baseline line haul rate. We need to reestablish an honorable baseline line haul rate before we can even think about a fuel adjustment. I believe that I showed the rates being lowered by .15 per mile in my example as well for the fuel adjustment, for us to expect our customers to totally pay for all of our fuel is ridiculous, your baseline rate should be covering the majority of your cost plus your profit. The FSC is just a buffer to keep all of us from having to redo contracts over and over again.

Here is how I see it and run it:

Contract Market: Has baseline rate, accessorials, and FSC built into the master contract for Xnumber of years.

Spot Market: Is all in, unless other issues arise that cause an amendment to the all in rate sheet.
Replied on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:21 AM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "Thought I would post the latest and greatest. Went to the supermarket of the world yesterday and they were offering .30 per bu for beans from KC to ST Louis. $255.00 for 255 miles. Good stuff right there. At least Bartlett was offering .55 per bu for wheat for the same load. $500.00 for 255 miles, may not be the greatest but at least it was fair in this market. We need to just haul for those that are paying us at least fair rates, stay away from those that don't. They don't care if I am in business in 6 months so why should I care likewise?"

I don't Believe 1.97 a loaded mile is fair.
Replied on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:38 AM CST
I agree with you Alfred. That's how I play it. I hate the FSC. I have my own base line and profit margins with some wiggle room.
Replied on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:28 AM CST
Originally Posted by: DANIEL CORBIN
Quote: "I don't Believe 1.97 a loaded mile is fair. "

Don't worry Dan, we did not take either one. The operator bounced to St Louis his previous load had paid for it. But for right now in this market $1.97 is pretty good for grain. You and I may not want to haul it but it sure beats the heck out of the $1.00 per mile.
Replied on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 02:46 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DAVID HAYES
Quote: "I have a question. If you are spotting a load why are you worring about a fuel surcharge? You should tell broker, shipper or whomever you got the load from that it will cost them this amount from point A to point B. Each and everyone should know what it cost to run your truck from wherever to point A to point B to wherever and then be able to the person that you are getting the load from it will cost them this amount take it or leave it. I don't even like a fuel surcharge on long term hauls. The rate sheet that many use are outdated and they are using a fuel surcharge to get the rate in line with where it should be. Another thing about a fuel surcharge is it takes money away from the driver if they are paid percentage. "

and thats how the big boys screw you, carriers set up logistics dept and the carrier who has the customer direct gives the load to their own logisitics dept. then neither they nor their said department has to pay the driver the f.s.c. this is is why i hate f.s.c. too many people use it not to show running expense, they use it to mke their margins better.
Replied on Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 02:46 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DAVID HAYES
Quote: "I have a question. If you are spotting a load why are you worring about a fuel surcharge? You should tell broker, shipper or whomever you got the load from that it will cost them this amount from point A to point B. Each and everyone should know what it cost to run your truck from wherever to point A to point B to wherever and then be able to the person that you are getting the load from it will cost them this amount take it or leave it. I don't even like a fuel surcharge on long term hauls. The rate sheet that many use are outdated and they are using a fuel surcharge to get the rate in line with where it should be. Another thing about a fuel surcharge is it takes money away from the driver if they are paid percentage. "

and thats how the big boys screw you, carriers set up logistics dept and the carrier who has the customer direct gives the load to their own logisitics dept. then neither they nor their said department has to pay the driver the f.s.c. this is is why i hate f.s.c. too many people use it not to show running expense, they use it to mke their margins better.
Replied on Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 06:56 PM CST
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Well Christmas is over and we are heading into the new year. The rates just keep going lower and lower, I suspect we will see rates as low as .50 per mile in 2016. These fools that believe fuel prices being down should drive the prices down this much will be paying the price when the market starts to come back. It is dangerous to expect individuals to haul garbage freight just because you believe it is funny to lie to them and tell them that is all you got in it. Today was one of those such days, I was offered as low as .76 per mile to come out of Houston, TX. Now I own trucks, trailers, and just dropped $4000.00 for base plates to go at it another year, maybe I am stupid, maybe I believe that we can ride it out and when it starts to come back we will be asking for a hell of a lot more than we ever did before. We will turn the tables and start calling this game the shipper/broker high jump dance. I believe it is nigh time for us Independent Carriers to take back what is ours. Price of trucks did not go down because fuel went down. Price of insurance increased. The government just basically made it so we can't run as many miles (ok by me). None of us want to haul more weight to make up the difference, we are tired of waiting for hours upon end without any pay just to load or deliver the garbage that we are expected to haul at the garbage rates. I just have a question for all the shippers and brokers that keep throwing these garbage rates on the table. What are you going to do when you have killed off the independents? You will be forced to utilize the Mega-Carriers, and we all know they are way more expensive then the Independents. You will either have to do that or get your own fleets up and running. You will be competing for the less than quality wannabe drivers that may or may not stay with your company. Maybe you like the kind of drivers the Mega's have, it sure seems like that is what you all want. Well this is what I have instructed my operators, if we are on a load that pays less than $2.00 per mile they are to treat the shipper/receiver/broker like crap. Crap begets crap, so don't call me and ask why the load is running behind when the sorry ass shipper took 6 hours to load. Don't ask us for favor's they don't exist when you are in survival mode. This is why I started the Independent Carrier Group, I recognized that Independent Carriers needed to learn how to work with each other, so that we would stop being played against each other. Imagine shipper/receiver/broker when you are calling one of us and all of the sudden there are no trucks available to you anymore because you are on the dishonorable list. This is what you have been doing to us for years with your do not use list, now it is our turn. I have warned all parties for quite a while that we needed to start working together or we would work together by force. Man is much like an animal when he is driven to the point of starvation because of anothers greed, he will begin to fight back. I speak the truth and not lies and each of you that dislike me are most likely scared of what it about to happen. I feel that the membership that we have gained in our group over the past month has proven that we Independent Carriers are at the point of wanting our Freedom with Integrity back. We shall take back our freedom one step and account at a time as the Independent Carrier Group.

Replied on Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 08:24 PM CST
Alfred when one of my drivers calls me that be is being delayed I call the shipper or received and tell them they will be charged detention AND billed for storage/layover if they create down time on their load.

That doesn't always work but I'd say its at least 75% effective.
Replied on Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 08:27 PM CST
I forgot to say most of our customers give us a half hour window. My argument is that if my truck is 30 minutes late I have to reschedule the load. Then why in hell do you think you get a 4-5 hour freebie and throw us all off schedule.
Replied on Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 10:28 AM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "Don't worry Dan, we did not take either one. The operator bounced to St Louis his previous load had paid for it. But for right now in this market $1.97 is pretty good for grain. You and I may not want to haul it but it sure beats the heck out of the $1.00 per mile."

Turned down a load the other day 2.25 a loaded mile. Had to bounce 50 miles to get but was delivering close to next load. asked for 2.50 they said no i said no. Driver called yesterday. Place weve been hauling corn in to had beans going back the other way. Again about 50 miles out of way so 100miles to get back to next load of corn. this would be on going corn uo beans back. I couldnt even get 2.00 out of the guy. said he had guys that would do it for 1.50 and deadhead back. No Problem, have at it. I did call custom that we haul the corn for and nicelly told him if i hear of that guys truck reloading corn my trucks would be gone. Were good freinds and can BS with each other and not get mad. But Know that what we say is true. We both could put a dent in each others business. Rite Now my bottom dollar is 2.50 a mie. and weve been doing pretty good getting it or better. And I see old JB is down to 1.23 on power only.