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Apr 27, 2018 at 07:23 PM CST
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U.S. Supreme Court: GPS Trackers Are a Form of Search and Seizure If the government puts a GPS tracker on you, your car, or any of your personal effects, it counts as a search?and is therefore protected by the Fourth Amendment.
Replied on Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 10:21 PM CST
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...and the constitution of the united states clearly sttes that the congress is in control of interstate commerce ...you participating in interstate commerce is a voluntary action...you are not forced by law or any other method to participate in it , you have the choice to opt out of interstate travel at any time ......in which case iof you do then you do not fall under the guidelines of the congress and the constituiton..... think of it as...if i come to your house then i enter under your rules..right? well its the same for interstate trucking , your entering thier house , so its under thier rules.....why for christ sake ois that so hard to understand.......
Replied on Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 09:43 AM CST
Who have the government the right to control interstate Commerance?
Replied on Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 09:57 AM CST
The truck is private so where do you seperate the two? I'm betting if they wanted to put an interlock device on your personal car with a GPS tracker and you had to blow into it every time you wanted to turn the key then maybe you would understand the invasiveness of the ELD
Replied on Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 11:27 AM CST
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If you order something out of a sears catalog, or off the internet and the Payment is processed in another state, or the package is shipped from another state, you have engaged in interstate commerce......... So does that mean that you have forfeited your constitutional rights, and the police no longer need a warrant to search your home, or car? The laws really are not worth the paper there written on, it is what ever the gooberment says it is at the time. Just like when the government decided to go after trumps lawyer, and violate their rights to client confidentiality. Maybe now trump knows how us trucker feel. All of our rights are being chiseled away, becuase a handful of idiots think government can do no wrong.
Replied on Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 11:14 PM CST
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The Commerce Clause refers to Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution, which gives Congress the power “to regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes.”. The Constitution enumerates certain powers for the federal government. ....its in the tenth amendment , you are correct your truck is private...but when you drive it over state lines engaging in commercial commerce ...yup you guessed it .., it becomes under the regulation of federal law , noone makes you drive it across stateltines , you do that voluntarily , you slso open up a whole new set of regulations

Replied on Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 02:10 PM CST
Originally Posted by: KEVIN SINGLETARY
Quote: " The Commerce Clause refers to Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution, which gives Congress the power “to regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes.”. The Constitution enumerates certain powers for the federal government. ....its in the tenth amendment , you are correct your truck is private...but when you drive it over state lines engaging in commercial commerce ...yup you guessed it .., it becomes under the regulation of federal law , noone makes you drive it across stateltines , you do that voluntarily , you slso open up a whole new set of regulations "

Ok. I understand what you are saying. There are other laws on the books that protect you from invasion of privacy meaning search and seasure,invasion of privacy. guilty till proven innocent and many other laws and regulations.
Replied on Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 03:11 PM CST
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Drug dealers are engaged in interstate commerce too, as they frequently move shipments across state lines, yet the Supreme Court has ruled it illegal to track them with GPS......... So where is the consistency in logic? If we are going to say that interstate commerce is the trigger, for suspending constitutional rights, then it needs to hold water. Our laws are a joke, and everyone knows it, it's pay to play.......For example, trump decides to start enforcing pre existing immigration law, and a bunch of corporations that want cheap labor, decide to pay a liberal Judge to block him from doing it, and attempt to legislate from the bench, and attempt to circumvent the democratic process.
Replied on Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 03:21 PM CST
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The 14th amendment guarantees equall protection under the law, meaning that the law must be applied equally to everyone, you cannot turn a law into a weapon, and say it only applies to certain groups, or individuals..... By making the case that interstate commerce is the trigger for suspending our constitutional protections, and that it only applies to truck drivers, what has the government just done?.............What about those folks ordering stuff off the internet, who are conducting interstate commerce? Some of whom may be politicians, are you going to tell them that the police no longer need a warrant to search their home or office? And what about those drug dealers who have moved shipments across state lines, and been told by the Supreme Court that they still have constitutional rights, but you truckers don't?
Replied on Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 04:00 PM CST
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dave ....dave...dave... how many boxes of kleenex do yo go thru a month crying those big ole horse turd tears into them over this crap......ok lets go over this one more time , just for you and your pea sized brain...ok????.....when the constitution was written the authors and the creators of the constitution of the united states set forth rules regulations and guidelines . and one of those were that.... the congress shall have complete control over interstate commerce....what is interstate commerce....that is where a person or business chooses...are you following ?.... CHOOSES...NOT IS FORCED BUT CHOOSES to do business abroad , across state or international boundary,...... now if you CHOOSE... to do this it is purely VOLUNTARY on your part. noone said you had to do it they said you could CHOOSE to participate in it if you would like , but if you did CHOOSE , VOLUNTARILY to oarticipate in interstate commerce you would be subject to thier rules...... now as a side note is really odd that you want everyone to have to have an eld , but did not and do not care of every single person crossing statelines has a med card , a driver certification or anything else that is law that us truckers must abide by BUT BY GOD THEY SHOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN ELD.....LMAO , so why dave have you not been crying thru the years complaining that everyone should have to have all credentials but have chosen to harp on this one.......and also dave , if a drug runner is caught running drugs , you never know they might just throw the charge of not having an eld in there....oh but i do know there was a nice kw in the check station a couple weeks ago that was caught for dope and ....believe it or not....there was an eld right up there on the dash...so maybe they follow the law better than you do......those laws are written by lawyers and then reviewed by lawyers and checked rechecked and double checked to make sure there are no federal nor constitutional conflicts in them..... they don't just scribble shit on papare and walk away. and last but not least ...if it is so illegal then who is your constitutional law firm that is suing the government over these matters i would like to consult with them and possibly join the fight............i do not like the eld , but , it is legal , there is no argument around it...if there were, lawyers would be in every truck stop signing up class action constituents for federal as well as civil suits ...so cite your law firm i want in on the money dave.
Replied on Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 04:46 PM CST
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Really, Kevin? They don?t just scribble sh*t on paper and walk away? Do you remember the bowel movement called ObamaCare? To quote Nancy Pelosi, ?We need to pass it so that we can see what?s in it.? The amount of care they put into writing a law is directly proportional to the percentage of the population affected by it and how many irate phone calls Congress expects to receive if they pass it.
Replied on Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 04:52 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: RON HULSHOF
Quote: "Really, Kevin? They don?t just scribble sh*t on paper and walk away? Do you remember the bowel movement called ObamaCare? To quote Nancy Pelosi, ?We need to pass it so that we can see what?s in it.? The amount of care they put into writing a law is directly proportional to the percentage of the population affected by it and how many irate phone calls Congress expects to receive if they pass it."

and once it was voted in , passed and signed into law how much of it was deemed unconstitutional

Replied on Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 06:02 PM CST
Originally Posted by: KEVIN SINGLETARY
Quote: "dave ....dave...dave... how many boxes of kleenex do yo go thru a month crying those big ole horse turd tears into them over this crap......ok lets go over this one more time , just for you and your pea sized brain...ok????.....when the constitution was written the authors and the creators of the constitution of the united states set forth rules regulations and guidelines . and one of those were that.... the congress shall have complete control over interstate commerce....what is interstate commerce....that is where a person or business chooses...are you following ?.... CHOOSES...NOT IS FORCED BUT CHOOSES to do business abroad , across state or international boundary,...... now if you CHOOSE... to do this it is purely VOLUNTARY on your part. noone said you had to do it they said you could CHOOSE to participate in it if you would like , but if you did CHOOSE , VOLUNTARILY to oarticipate in interstate commerce you would be subject to thier rules...... now as a side note is really odd that you want everyone to have to have an eld , but did not and do not care of every single person crossing statelines has a med card , a driver certification or anything else that is law that us truckers must abide by BUT BY GOD THEY SHOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN ELD.....LMAO , so why dave have you not been crying thru the years complaining that everyone should have to have all credentials but have chosen to harp on this one.......and also dave , if a drug runner is caught running drugs , you never know they might just throw the charge of not having an eld in there....oh but i do know there was a nice kw in the check station a couple weeks ago that was caught for dope and ....believe it or not....there was an eld right up there on the dash...so maybe they follow the law better than you do......those laws are written by lawyers and then reviewed by lawyers and checked rechecked and double checked to make sure there are no federal nor constitutional conflicts in them..... they don't just scribble shit on papare and walk away. and last but not least ...if it is so illegal then who is your constitutional law firm that is suing the government over these matters i would like to consult with them and possibly join the fight............i do not like the eld , but , it is legal , there is no argument around it...if there were, lawyers would be in every truck stop signing up class action constituents for federal as well as civil suits ...so cite your law firm i want in on the money dave."

Firstoff, thanks for the personal insults, it shows all of us what a classy guy you are. As I understand it, Gunny and alfred kicked your ass out of their sand box, and sent you back over here with your tail between your legs, so now you bash them or anyone associated with them over here, and complain how they would'nt share their seat at the table with you. As for your false accusation about me not being able to follow the law, what is that based on? You have proven once again that you run your mouth without knowing all the facts. I have one of the best safety records in the nation, My DOT# is 1724474 for those of you who would like to check. So what is your slanderous remarks based on kevin, other than my opposition to the ELD mandate? Why dont you talk the same way about Fed ex, UPS or some of the other carriers who opposed it, and applied for a exemption? I dont hear you calling them outlaws, why is that? As for the legal arguements, you have failed to convince me of anything, you have only been able to recite the interstate commerce clause, over and over, all throughout this forum, and demonstrate your allegance to the ATA. For the record, I have never disputed what the interstate commerce clause says. The interstate commerce clause clearly says that the federal government has the authority to regulate commerce, but nowhere in it does it say that it has the right to supercede the rest of the constitution........ The constitution was written at a time when most folks didn't even have a 5th grade education, infact public education did not even exist at the time, so it was written so that anyone could understand it, you didn't need a law degree. This fight is far from over with, there are 26 states that have failed to incorperate into thei state statutes, meaning they cant enforce it.................. Am I a lawyer? No..... Am I a wrong? Time will tell. Is our government corrupt? ASK THE INDIANS.


Replied on Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 06:29 PM CST
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lmao , thats it davey boy straighten up that tin foil hat and dig them heels in , as far gunny stolen valor faram , i was never is that ignorant phonies camp and never liked the guy , as for jordan he is as fake as faram is and thats why they made such a good pair. they are bopth nothing more than fast talking snake oil salesmen, really funny how they both fel of the face of the earth immediate following washingtonand thier claim to have had the mandate thrown out and were given a seat at the fmcsa table. now as for you lil fela...... you support the ata more than I do and as far as your attacks on the constitution i'm betting while you hate the commerce clause you sure do seem to be all up in favor of the 1st , 2nd 4th 1oth and 14th amendment , but hey just like and goood pussy hat wearing liberal you are all about the pick and choose method of what works and serves your motives...correct ? i don't need to insult you dave , you do that to yourself plenty enough by just posting the stupidity you post. not to mention i find it hilariously humorous that the only place you can do it is on a free forum board . you do a really great job of creating the image of a terminally single basement dweller whise mom always wonders what he is doing down there so alone all the time....lmao...... you are a ....."the darkside" .volume all your own. please continue though your entertainment value is great.
Replied on Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 10:12 PM CST
Originally Posted by: KEVIN SINGLETARY
Quote: "lmao , thats it davey boy straighten up that tin foil hat and dig them heels in , as far gunny stolen valor faram , i was never is that ignorant phonies camp and never liked the guy , as for jordan he is as fake as faram is and thats why they made such a good pair. they are bopth nothing more than fast talking snake oil salesmen, really funny how they both fel of the face of the earth immediate following washingtonand thier claim to have had the mandate thrown out and were given a seat at the fmcsa table. now as for you lil fela...... you support the ata more than I do and as far as your attacks on the constitution i'm betting while you hate the commerce clause you sure do seem to be all up in favor of the 1st , 2nd 4th 1oth and 14th amendment , but hey just like and goood pussy hat wearing liberal you are all about the pick and choose method of what works and serves your motives...correct ? i don't need to insult you dave , you do that to yourself plenty enough by just posting the stupidity you post. not to mention i find it hilariously humorous that the only place you can do it is on a free forum board . you do a really great job of creating the image of a terminally single basement dweller whise mom always wonders what he is doing down there so alone all the time....lmao...... you are a ....."the darkside" .volume all your own. please continue though your entertainment value is great."

And there you have it folks, kevin Dingelberry working to improve the image of the american truck Driver once again, demmonstrating his fine social skills, and stimmulating intellect. Bahahahaha
Replied on Tue, May 01, 2018 at 03:26 AM CST
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Hilarious!! Lmmfao!
Replied on Tue, May 01, 2018 at 08:07 AM CST
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awww its ok davey we know you are trying , its just too bad that a bleating goat makes more sense as well as a stronger case than you can...... i can just hear you now in there in front of the fmcsa in your whiny pouty voice screaming ...yeah well uhhh uhhh what about drug smugglers they are interstate do they should have to have a eld too...waaaaa waaaaa....LMFAO,.... So anyways ..i have been wondering , do you make your tin foil hats out of reynolds wrap or great value ?

Replied on Tue, May 01, 2018 at 11:22 AM CST
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I like reading Dave's comments. Might not always agree with him, but he always seems polite. I personally get my tinfoil at a local grocery store to try to support small town economy. I think there's no doubt there's goofy stuff going on with fmcsa....I also think there's to many situations with people like Kevin who make fun of people with opposing views. That's cnn quality right there.
Replied on Tue, May 01, 2018 at 12:28 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: DALE HERMANS
Quote: "I like reading Dave's comments. Might not always agree with him, but he always seems polite. I personally get my tinfoil at a local grocery store to try to support small town economy. I think there's no doubt there's goofy stuff going on with fmcsa....I also think there's to many situations with people like Kevin who make fun of people with opposing views. That's cnn quality right there. "

Thanks for the compliment and kudos to you for supporting local economy and small business. as far as the cnn quality stuff , i do not make it i just enhance it. Davey boy if you have ever noticed is nothing more than a whiner , a victim the ...they are out to get me type . sure he always has stuff to say , that he reads elsehwere and the embelishes back on this forum , i mean , drug smugglers ..elds... really ?? and the whole constittution farce , its against this and thins amendment but it supports this one bull crap ?... constitutional scholars took it to the constitutional enforcing panel of judges that over see and enforce or throw out these types of matters and they deemed it so well within the confines of jurispdrudence that it was not even worth debating....and thats when it was 50/50 liberal conservative. and then several months ago you had that blowhard jordan in here boasting that he had hired a constitutional law firm and was going to make them famous...lmao. its the law of the land and we...yes ...we...me you him dave and everyone else let it happen by ot doing anything years ago. And another thing as far as all that ...you support the ata crap that peiple like to push when they disagree...all you folks that are fighting the ata are putting more money in thier pockets than anyone else , to help them fight the fight against you. the sad part is , this whole eld / hos thing could be solved quickly and easily ...and the answer to it all is right in front of you as big as day and noone even sees it
Replied on Wed, May 02, 2018 at 12:08 AM CST
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Dave just let Kevin ramble on it?s really the only thing he?s good at actually I feel sorry for him how dumb do you gotta be to flunk DOT Enforcement clown school guess it give him a bad attitude
Replied on Wed, May 02, 2018 at 12:30 AM CST
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Hey Tyrell , thanks for the kind words , apprciate ite , i see you are enjoying the legaization of the wacky tobacky up there in colorado , from your failed attempt at bad humor it seems you may have gotten some really strong hallucinigenic grade stuff. hell i bet you even got the bevis and butthead laugh down pat as well huh ?
Replied on Wed, May 02, 2018 at 07:49 AM CST
Originally Posted by: KEVIN SINGLETARY
Quote: "...and the constitution of the united states clearly sttes that the congress is in control of interstate commerce ...you participating in interstate commerce is a voluntary action...you are not forced by law or any other method to participate in it , you have the choice to opt out of interstate travel at any time ......in which case iof you do then you do not fall under the guidelines of the congress and the constituiton..... think of it as...if i come to your house then i enter under your rules..right? well its the same for interstate trucking , your entering thier house , so its under thier rules.....why for christ sake ois that so hard to understand....... "

Kevin has it right. You will never see this law overturned as an invasion of privacy.
Replied on Wed, May 02, 2018 at 09:46 AM CST
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i guess i do agree that they will not get it overturned due to invasion of privacy. But at some point this avalanche of rules needs to stop. For every law or rule enstated, there are 3 other laws or rules that go along with it because of legal interpretation. So it gets to be a spider web of rules and laws.

I dont think it makes somebody a whiner to be disgusted with some of this stuff. If theres anybody on this planet that can read the little green dot safety handbook from cover to cover without getting sick, I will buy you a drink. I gaurantee i have the least highway experience of anybody on this forum, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

safe travels
Replied on Thu, May 03, 2018 at 07:42 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: DALE HERMANS
Quote: "i guess i do agree that they will not get it overturned due to invasion of privacy. But at some point this avalanche of rules needs to stop. For every law or rule enstated, there are 3 other laws or rules that go along with it because of legal interpretation. So it gets to be a spider web of rules and laws. I dont think it makes somebody a whiner to be disgusted with some of this stuff. If theres anybody on this planet that can read the little green dot safety handbook from cover to cover without getting sick, I will buy you a drink. I gaurantee i have the least highway experience of anybody on this forum, so take my opinion with a grain of salt. safe travels"

you know its funny you should mention that little green dot book that is issued to or required by dot for all drivers to have. I challenge you and or anyone else broker driver o/o to get that little green book and read and tell me what chapter 381 in that book addresses or says. Be honest and fair and do not google anything look in the actual book itself.
Replied on Thu, May 03, 2018 at 01:53 PM CST
Originally Posted by: KEVIN SINGLETARY
Quote: "you know its funny you should mention that little green dot book that is issued to or required by dot for all drivers to have. I challenge you and or anyone else broker driver o/o to get that little green book and read and tell me what chapter 381 in that book addresses or says. Be honest and fair and do not google anything look in the actual book itself."

Challenge accepted. I will give it a read. But technically I'm a millennial so how am I possibly supposed to function without Google???
Replied on Thu, May 03, 2018 at 05:56 PM CST
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Little green book? Sounds like someone is embellishing something on the forum, that he read about somewhere else? Hymmm, he accuses others of this, while he is doing it himself, right in front of us, and hoping nobody will notice?.......He says that lawmakers don't just scribble shit down on toilet paper, and then someone had to remind him about the way Obama care was pushed through..... He then says that the ELD mandate is rock solid, and cannot be overturned becuase it was constructed by constitutional experts, just like Obamacare? As he says Obamacare was unconstitutional, and that you can't pick and choose what parts of the constitution you agree with, or your a liberal? He portrays himself as a expert on FMCSA, yet he has no operating authority with FMCSA (DOT# is 2803540). No MC#, intrastate only, yet likes to lecture the rest of us, about how we should just roll over, and embrace the ELD. In short He is the Tokyo Rose of the trucking community.
Replied on Thu, May 03, 2018 at 07:35 PM CST
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dave dave dave...man i think that aluminum your hat os made of might be soaking into your brain and causing dementia...but ...here little buddy let me clear some things up for you , ok ? ...Now pay attention davey this is going to entail the need for a tiny bit of smarts.....

The FMCSA Federal motor carrier Safety regulations pocket book is in fact a mostly green whith a little bit of white and black book...and on the front of that book...Dave...are you paying attention ...it says....federal motor carrier safety regulations pocket book...ain't that just neat ???....and then under it is also says.....don't lose focus now....as presented by u.s.department of transportaion federal motor carrier safety administrationparts 49,380,382,383,387, 390-397,399, and then under that says in big letters ..updated monthly.... thats reall stuff dave i quoted every word except for jj kleller who publises it for the dot right from the front of that GREEN BOOK. they are for sale in every truck stop ...every company os required to supply thier drivers with a copy. every truck driver should carry one

if you need to davey just google d o t handbook and you can see a picture of one ...i know you function much better with pictures.......

now dave please copy and paste where i said it is " rock solid and CANNOT be overturned " because i never ever said that

as far as me not having operating authority does getting operating authority make someone an instant road scholar fmcsa dot expert ?....if so then there are tons of experts on the road right now...correct ? oh and yes...you are very correct that is my dot number , does it make you feel cosmically orgasmic to know that...... is this where i am supposed to look up and post yours too....lmao because i'm not because i could care less.....

ok so anyways davey , back to the little green book , please humor me and go find chapter 381 in that book and read it and tell me what its about...you can do that can't you ?....i won't ask you to write a report on it because i know how you always break your crayons when you try to write.

oh and yes folks i run intrastate texas.....i have read and studied map 21 and the articles contained therein i have researched most of the projects reports findings and follow ups to congress.....its quite a mind boggling bill.....so mind boggling that i have forgotten alot of it because i lost interst when davey heroes jordan and faram....the lloudmouth phonie brothers made the trucking industry look like fools in washington last dec.

your turn davey......
Replied on Thu, May 03, 2018 at 10:12 PM CST
Originally Posted by: KEVIN SINGLETARY
Quote: "dave dave dave...man i think that aluminum your hat os made of might be soaking into your brain and causing dementia...but ...here little buddy let me clear some things up for you , ok ? ...Now pay attention davey this is going to entail the need for a tiny bit of smarts..... The FMCSA Federal motor carrier Safety regulations pocket book is in fact a mostly green whith a little bit of white and black book...and on the front of that book...Dave...are you paying attention ...it says....federal motor carrier safety regulations pocket book...ain't that just neat ???....and then under it is also says.....don't lose focus now....as presented by u.s.department of transportaion federal motor carrier safety administrationparts 49,380,382,383,387, 390-397,399, and then under that says in big letters ..updated monthly.... thats reall stuff dave i quoted every word except for jj kleller who publises it for the dot right from the front of that GREEN BOOK. they are for sale in every truck stop ...every company os required to supply thier drivers with a copy. every truck driver should carry one if you need to davey just google d o t handbook and you can see a picture of one ...i know you function much better with pictures....... now dave please copy and paste where i said it is " rock solid and CANNOT be overturned " because i never ever said that as far as me not having operating authority does getting operating authority make someone an instant road scholar fmcsa dot expert ?....if so then there are tons of experts on the road right now...correct ? oh and yes...you are very correct that is my dot number , does it make you feel cosmically orgasmic to know that...... is this where i am supposed to look up and post yours too....lmao because i'm not because i could care less..... ok so anyways davey , back to the little green book , please humor me and go find chapter 381 in that book and read it and tell me what its about...you can do that can't you ?....i won't ask you to write a report on it because i know how you always break your crayons when you try to write. oh and yes folks i run intrastate texas.....i have read and studied map 21 and the articles contained therein i have researched most of the projects reports findings and follow ups to congress.....its quite a mind boggling bill.....so mind boggling that i have forgotten alot of it because i lost interst when davey heroes jordan and faram....the lloudmouth phonie brothers made the trucking industry look like fools in washington last dec. your turn davey......"

Quit picking fights
Replied on Thu, May 03, 2018 at 10:36 PM CST
Heres my deal kevin, Yes i will read what you said to read to understand your point. I am against eld. regardless of an agreement that the government controls interstate commerce. ya i get that. i'm still against it. if the government asked every trucker to sacrifice their first born would you do it, just because they control interstate commerce??? no way.

I am reading these forums to educate myself on the subject of fighting the eld. I like daves posts. and hes not a dick. ive been contacting my SD elected officials, but i'm inexperienced, so i want to read what other people have to say about it. And im crabby today because i didnt asnwer a phone call from an unknown number...that happened to be senator john thune...wanting to talk about it. now i'll have to wait another 3 months to hear back. so i want to be educated so i can explain my point. I gain zero knowledge from your sarcastic frat-boy comments. but i do gain from other peoples discussions. please chill out.
Replied on Thu, May 03, 2018 at 10:52 PM CST
well dale , mr winters for some reason has had a hard on for me for a very long time . i believe its because i am educated in the matters at hand and he is mothing more than an ideacilly conspricay theorist. of the tin foil hat persuasion . if you think back the man has offered no solution only whining about how government and brokers are out to suck the souls from our bodies and blah blah blah......I myself am against the eld , do not want one in my truck and if there has to be one do not want it connected to my ecm. but , the facts remain the same.....the hours of service rules are as they have been for many years basically all the eld does is makes it extremely hard to cheat. if you were aready loggong by the rules as written then there should be no issue transferring from paper to eletronic . its the same difference between hand writing your time on a time card or punching a clock....by hand you can gain a few mins a day or never be late....by electronic time machine , you gotta be on time. that being said.....i have solutions , and very very good ones it just takes cooperation , which is something truck drivers cannot do because like dave theres way too much conspiracy and governemntal espionage theories out there......kind of like the fella trying to tell everyone earlier that there is no green book...lmao See the source imagebut i'll be damned if i don't swear i seen one somewhere........ maybe i was wrong
Replied on Thu, May 03, 2018 at 10:53 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DAVE WINTERS
Quote: "Little green book? Sounds like someone is embellishing something on the forum, that he read about somewhere else? Hymmm, he accuses others of this, while he is doing it himself, right in front of us, and hoping nobody will notice?.......He says that lawmakers don't just scribble shit down on toilet paper, and then someone had to remind him about the way Obama care was pushed through..... He then says that the ELD mandate is rock solid, and cannot be overturned becuase it was constructed by constitutional experts, just like Obamacare? As he says Obamacare was unconstitutional, and that you can't pick and choose what parts of the constitution you agree with, or your a liberal? He portrays himself as a expert on FMCSA, yet he has no operating authority with FMCSA (DOT# is 2803540). No MC#, intrastate only, yet likes to lecture the rest of us, about how we should just roll over, and embrace the ELD. In short He is the Tokyo Rose of the trucking community. "

Hey dave..heres that book i was talking about...still think it does not exist ?????? See the source image
Replied on Fri, May 04, 2018 at 06:34 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: KEVIN SINGLETARY
Quote: "well dale , mr winters for some reason has had a hard on for me for a very long time . i believe its because i am educated in the matters at hand and he is mothing more than an ideacilly conspricay theorist. of the tin foil hat persuasion . if you think back the man has offered no solution only whining about how government and brokers are out to suck the souls from our bodies and blah blah blah......I myself am against the eld , do not want one in my truck and if there has to be one do not want it connected to my ecm. but , the facts remain the same.....the hours of service rules are as they have been for many years basically all the eld does is makes it extremely hard to cheat. if you were aready loggong by the rules as written then there should be no issue transferring from paper to eletronic . its the same difference between hand writing your time on a time card or punching a clock....by hand you can gain a few mins a day or never be late....by electronic time machine , you gotta be on time. that being said.....i have solutions , and very very good ones it just takes cooperation , which is something truck drivers cannot do because like dave theres way too much conspiracy and governemntal espionage theories out there......kind of like the fella trying to tell everyone earlier that there is no green book...lmao but i'll be damned if i don't swear i seen one somewhere........ maybe i was wrong"

I will definitely not call it "cheating". Fudging a log book isn't even remotely the same as lying on your time clock at an hourly job. I'm not stealing from anybody. And yes I am 95 percent compliant on my hos. But I have a dedicated run once or twice a week that takes 12 hours of driving. I'm not cheating by wanting to be home with my kids. It's being realistic. I'm not sleeping ten hours when I'm 45 miles from my destination. The real world isn't on a set schedule. And as far as conspiracy goes...I think Dave is more right than you are. I can't provide proof. Only repeat what I've heard from my sherrif. And a highway patrolman. And a CDL testers. And if that's 50 percent true, you may want some tinfoil from me and Dave.
Replied on Fri, May 04, 2018 at 07:33 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: DALE HERMANS
Quote: "I will definitely not call it "cheating". Fudging a log book isn't even remotely the same as lying on your time clock at an hourly job. I'm not stealing from anybody. And yes I am 95 percent compliant on my hos. But I have a dedicated run once or twice a week that takes 12 hours of driving. I'm not cheating by wanting to be home with my kids. It's being realistic. I'm not sleeping ten hours when I'm 45 miles from my destination. The real world isn't on a set schedule. And as far as conspiracy goes...I think Dave is more right than you are. I can't provide proof. Only repeat what I've heard from my sherrif. And a highway patrolman. And a CDL testers. And if that's 50 percent true, you may want some tinfoil from me and Dave. "

right about what ? that the sky is blue ? that death and taxes are inevitable ? i'm sure theres plenty that you guys are right about but without knowing what you are talking about its hard to say...... on another note.....so you are openly admitting that you have no problem and do willfully alter federal documents ? because when you participate in interstate commerce and fill out and sign a log sheet it becomes a legal federal document. and as far as the "fudging" part goes....would you be ok if your shipper fudged 150 bucks off your load , or maybe that trooper fudged 5 or 10 mph on that ticket ? but anyways , it does'nt matter , what matters is i asked you guys to do something in an effort to help you with your fight and hate for the elog and ya'll had rather argue than anything else...lol
Replied on Fri, May 04, 2018 at 11:59 AM CST
Your right Kevin.

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