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What is inside of a brokers head?

Jun 22, 2020 at 09:30 AM CST
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When you look on a load board and see a 1271 mile load going from ND to Id for 50/ton, it makes you wonder why anyone would even post this load and what kind of fool would even book a load like this. At a 30 ton load it is a whopping 1.18/mile running out into the mountains. WTF?!!! Is there no standard at all in this industry? All I can say is WOW!

I know if a shipper were to call our office and say that they were paying, I would not even entertain these loads!

I really hope no one is stupid enough to haul these loads!
Replied on Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 04:45 PM CST
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Oh they're out there, hauling for that and less.
Replied on Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 04:57 PM CST
Originally Posted by: Randy Swopes
Quote: "Oh they're out there, hauling for that and less."

Won't be for long! Unsustainable at those rates!!!
Replied on Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:04 AM CST

Is it any different than a leach realtor. Or insurance salesman

some on here list 2-3 different brokers for the same load

now lightway is moving a lot of fertilizer and grain around Nd. They are from Canada but are half owned by terry at commodity service

a USA company out of Minnesota and Florida

they have a broker in California also

Replied on Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:04 AM CST
I'm hoping they go broke or run their equipment in the ground soon so I can get some work
Replied on Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:24 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: GREG BOMMELMAN
Quote: "Is it any different than a leach realtor. Or insurance salesman some on here list 2-3 different brokers for the same load now lightway is moving a lot of fertilizer and grain around Nd. They are from Canada but are half owned by terry at commodity service a USA company out of Minnesota and Florida they have a broker in California also"

I agree. They did the same thing to us in AB and SK. We hardly hauled fertilizer they took it all at horribly low rates. And yes, I too hope they run their equipment into the ground and can't afford to fix them.

It would be nice if we carriers weren't led around by the nose all the time by some of these brokers, not all of us are ignorant, as we know when we are being midlead.

Replied on Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 12:26 PM CST
Originally Posted by: GREG BOMMELMAN
Quote: "Is it any different than a leach realtor. Or insurance salesman some on here list 2-3 different brokers for the same load now lightway is moving a lot of fertilizer and grain around Nd. They are from Canada but are half owned by terry at commodity service a USA company out of Minnesota and Florida they have a broker in California also"

oh... is that how they kept afloat??? interesting, and very good to know, thanks!

Replied on Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 12:26 PM CST
Originally Posted by: CHARLOTTE REGNIER
Quote: "I agree. They did the same thing to us in AB and SK. We hardly hauled fertilizer they took it all at horribly low rates. And yes, I too hope they run their equipment into the ground and can't afford to fix them. It would be nice if we carriers weren't led around by the nose all the time by some of these brokers, not all of us are ignorant, as we know when we are being midlead."

find direct customers :)

Replied on Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 12:26 PM CST
Originally Posted by: GREG BOMMELMAN
Quote: "Is it any different than a leach realtor. Or insurance salesman some on here list 2-3 different brokers for the same load now lightway is moving a lot of fertilizer and grain around Nd. They are from Canada but are half owned by terry at commodity service a USA company out of Minnesota and Florida they have a broker in California also"

surely they cant be interstating being canadian trucks and drivers????

Replied on Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 04:21 PM CST
Originally Posted by: NANCY HARDER
Quote: "surely they cant be interstating being canadian trucks and drivers????"

You make a valid point.

Replied on Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 04:21 PM CST
Originally Posted by: NANCY HARDER
Quote: "find direct customers :)"

That's what we've done :)

Replied on Thu, Jul 02, 2020 at 11:41 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: ED MCCONNELL
Quote: "Won't be for long! Unsustainable at those rates!!!"

It costs the broker absolutely nothing to post the load. Zero costs into it and they have exposure to thousands of trucks today. Load boards and the internet have opened every market up to every individual who chooses to work in the industry. All it takes is one truck to take the load and the broker makes his sale. Just a numbers game for the brokers, the more loads they posts, the more trucks see it, the more trucks that see it, the greater the odds someone will take it. All they need to do is post it and play the odds in today's world. Unfortunate, but that is the world we live in today and it makes it that much harder for the individual to be successful. Margins have been beaten down based on volume and the shippers know it. So many variables that create low rates, supply of trucks, demand of freight etc but most of all it is the driver living in fear of the banker, whenever fear is the motivator, irritional decision making will almost always supersede the rational thought process. Once a shipper gets a cheap rate, they say the last guy took it and so on. There is a small group of active and intelligent operators on these forums, however that is a very small percentage of the actual population in the industry. The rest of population has the attitude of I don't care about anyone but myself and i am going to do what i need to do even if it is against the industry norm. The load boards are more of a tool for the shippers then they are for the trucker. Truckers think they get access to all these potential loads, but in reality, it is a tool for the shipper to reach out to thousands of trucks to get competitive rates.

Replied on Thu, Jul 02, 2020 at 02:10 PM CST
Now I see one 1356 miles 55 ton on about same lane. Pfff
Replied on Thu, Jul 02, 2020 at 02:59 PM CST
Originally Posted by: JAY HUSMAN
Quote: "Now I see one 1356 miles 55 ton on about same lane. Pfff"

I have been seeing rates like that too. Unreal.

Replied on Thu, Jul 02, 2020 at 04:18 PM CST
Originally Posted by: JAY HUSMAN
Quote: "Now I see one 1356 miles 55 ton on about same lane. Pfff"

come up here to deliver and i will run you at $5/loaded mile + ($30/mt cdn for tridem loads - 30mt), thats 3 bucks both ways.

Replied on Thu, Jul 02, 2020 at 04:54 PM CST

I see one at $29 per ton at 329 miles. That's around $3.70 per mile with 44 ton on board.

Replied on Thu, Jul 02, 2020 at 05:59 PM CST
Thing is the majority of the trucks on this board can only load 25 ton. Closed tandem trailers out number Spread, Triples, and Trains even in States with high GVWs.....Foltz only runs closed tandem trailers even though they're based in MN where you can legally gross 90k