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Dec 23, 2017 at 12:33 PM CST
Does anyone know where to find the list of the Ag commodities that are exempt with the 90 day Ag exemption???
Replied on Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 12:17 PM CST
Fmsca rule 119
Replied on Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 05:41 PM CST
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Ok thanks for the post I found and printed the list. If you look hard though some items are contradicted in various parts. Some commodities that are strickly used in livestock feed though aren't listed and therefore "I assume" aren't exempt. So how confusing is it for everyone when you have to use the ELD part of your trip and not all of the trip? If you haul a ELD load then are empty enroute to an ELD exempt load what do you run? This whole thing is rediculous and I feel that enforcement is going to use a lot of it as a trap. Very frustrating.

Art Pfluger
Replied on Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 08:50 AM CST
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I looked at this list. Is it the list we are all looking for? Or is this the list of exempt commodities per operating authority?
Replied on Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:28 AM CST
Originally Posted by: ROSE PFLUGER
Quote: "Ok thanks for the post I found and printed the list. If you look hard though some items are contradicted in various parts. Some commodities that are strickly used in livestock feed though aren't listed and therefore "I assume" aren't exempt. So how confusing is it for everyone when you have to use the ELD part of your trip and not all of the trip? If you haul a ELD load then are empty enroute to an ELD exempt load what do you run? This whole thing is rediculous and I feel that enforcement is going to use a lot of it as a trap. Very frustrating. Art Pfluger"

We are talking about the government here..you have to get a PHD in government double talk and we are investigating the situation..but its under advisement and the list goes on to understand what they are really saying..in other words.. maybe its best to cover your backside just to make sure that you are covered before that truck load of manure is delivered to your office with WE NEVER SAID THAT.. YOU MISS INTERPRED THIS.ITS WRITTEN RIGHT HERE...WE WILL HAVE LOOK INTO THIS..so here is your fine , penalty and intrest that you have to pay..and when they are wrong about it..CANT WE ALL GET ALONG HERE..AND WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE...and thank you for giving us that donation of money thst you wrongfully thought it was a fine..
Replied on Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 12:51 PM CST
Can someone tell me where to print the air mile no log exemption? I have the stuff for the commodity list exemption.

Art Pfluger
Replied on Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 01:53 PM CST
Originally Posted by: ROSE PFLUGER
Quote: "Can someone tell me where to print the air mile no log exemption? I have the stuff for the commodity list exemption. Art Pfluger"

That should be in your old FMCSA green rules book.. 100 air miles (as the crow flys) from your terminal..
Replied on Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 02:39 PM CST
Originally Posted by: ROSE PFLUGER
Quote: "Can someone tell me where to print the air mile no log exemption? I have the stuff for the commodity list exemption. Art Pfluger"

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/hours-service/elds/enforcement-partners https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/hours-service/elds/eld-hours-service-hos-and-agriculture-exemptions
Replied on Mon, Jan 01, 2018 at 09:48 PM CST
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There is NO list! The 90 day waiver is only for "Ag commodities" as defined in FMSCRS. That says an Ag commodity is any raw, unprocessed, product produced on a farm. That would be grain, fiber, insects, and livestock. People are confusing the lists that exist for license and authority purposes. Again there is no list for the 90 day waiver.

The second mistake many people are making. Under MAP 21 HOS requirements and exemptions farm supplies are exempt from HOS and therefore ELD. Farm supplies would be fertilizer, fuel, bedding, & ingredients / feed. While these are exempt under the Ag 150 mile rule they are NOT included in the 90 day ELD waiver!

Hope I have helped and no one is caught with thier pants down.

This information can all be verified on the FMSCA web site.

MAP 21 hos exemptions
Ag commodities
Agricultural exemption
90 day Ag waiver
Replied on Thu, Jan 04, 2018 at 03:16 PM CST
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Ben has it right. Rule 119 is a list of Commodities that do or do not require authority to haul. Try 7 US Code 1518 for a basic description. The "other agricultural commodities" is the gray area. FMCSA in DC told me that ingredients are not an agricultural commodity. Still read rules futher, and even that seems wrong. What a mess they have made.
Replied on Thu, Jan 04, 2018 at 10:24 PM CST
Well for what it's worth I have a good friend that is a DOT officer here in Nebraska. Sat beside him tonight at a ball game and asked him about the ag commodites list and how to log it. He said the only trucks that qualify for this have to be "farm" plated. If you run commercial plates you have to follow all HOS rules and you don't qualify as being exempt. At least that is how they are running it here.
Replied on Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 07:36 AM CST
Thats the problem with this whole mess,nobody knows what to believe. I think that officer is wrong. If you read the waiver,there is nothing in it about farm tags. It states motor carries transporting agricultural commodities, regardless of the distance traveled, if you have a satisfactory rating or no rating at all
Replied on Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 08:04 AM CST
So i need Comercial license to haul for hire, and farm plates for when i haul my own grain to the co op, or maybe I need two trucks, and two trailers so the dot doesnt get confused.
Replied on Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 08:11 AM CST
You will probably still be wrong sorry to say
Replied on Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 10:15 PM CST
I SUGGEST someone entice Trump to get into the trucking business either as an owner or make an investment into a trucking company.... then in all of about 3 weeks he'll sign an EXECUTIVE ORDER to undo all of this crap, to include DOT stops, ELD'S, and whatever else exists that would lessen his profit flow... and force shippers to pay no less than $3.00 a mile including deadhead to pick the load up... (smirk)
Replied on Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 12:12 PM CST
Originally Posted by: JONATHAN KRUKOW
Quote: "So i need Comercial license to haul for hire, and farm plates for when i haul my own grain to the co op, or maybe I need two trucks, and two trailers so the dot doesnt get confused. "

If you are that damed confused, you better stay out of the commercial trucking business!!!