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Aug 31, 2015 at 10:56 PM CST
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Are there any brokers out there up to the challenge to make a $1 per mile off of one of my trucks?

Here is the challenge, you must get my trucks $3.61 per mile all miles to the truck. You must keep my trucks running at least 400 mile runs each run. You must pass a credit check by my company. You will need to mark up my rate by the $1 or more per mile that you desire.

Can any of you do it?
Replied on Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 02:20 AM CST
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If you find one call me collect and let me know if he needs another 6-7 trucks
Replied on Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 12:39 PM CST
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come up to canada and i wll take that challenge, i will uild a 5 sided rounder just for you, and this is a big deal, cause i would have to build them all international!!!!
Replied on Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 04:38 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: NANCY HARDER
Quote: "come up to canada and i wll take that challenge, i will uild a 5 sided rounder just for you, and this is a big deal, cause i would have to build them all international!!!!"

Let me get our passports in order, OOPS wait a minute I forgot, we don't have problems going into other countries, it is ours that don't want us to come back when we recrossed the borders in the past. I think they want to get rid of all of us old soldiers and sailers at Powerhouse, at least that is the feeling I got whenever I came back from Canada in the past, Otherwise I would take you up on your offer Nancy, I believe that you would try your hardest to make it work for both our companies.
Replied on Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 05:04 PM CST
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Afred getting out of Canada does pose a problem. It's a dang shame Nancy ain't in Mexico. If she was in Mexico you could just follow a koyote back out through Edinburg with no strings attached.
Replied on Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 05:07 PM CST
Originally Posted by: JERRY BECK
Quote: "Afred getting out of Canada does pose a problem. It's a dang shame Nancy ain't in Mexico. If she was in Mexico you could just follow a koyote back out through Edinburg with no strings attached."

Might no have a truck left after running Mexico. I think I would rather take my chances on getting stuck in Canada, at least I have family up there that have big farms.
Replied on Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 05:13 PM CST
Good thinking. I haven't been across the border since they started this cant come home crap.

I wouldn't mind spending a week at The Palace in Matamoras but I'm too old to be walking through all them cacti to get back in to Texas.
Replied on Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 04:01 PM CST
What kind of truck are we talking about? Your on a bulk load board so what kind of trailer?

I'm not saying I have anything I'm just curious ;)
Replied on Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 06:08 PM CST
Originally Posted by: TOM SUTTON
Quote: "What kind of truck are we talking about? Your on a bulk load board so what kind of trailer? I'm not saying I have anything I'm just curious "

2015 Timpte 40' x 96" x 78"

or

2014 great danes on the dry van side
Replied on Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 11:20 PM CST
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Had a guy meet my challange with a load in Ar on Thursday.
Replied on Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 08:07 AM CST
Aw come on Alfred.
Replied on Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 09:38 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: JERRY BECK
Quote: "Aw come on Alfred."

I really did Jerry, had a pretty good week this week for all the trucks. I am just as shocked as you.
Replied on Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 11:08 AM CST
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Alfred there must have been a full moon or something. I too had one hekuva week. Only misfired on one load and was able to re-negotiate in my favor on it.

Had a major chem company traffic manager call to ask about a lunch meeting. He said I'm too high on rates but one of his field reps had seen our drivers in action and the customer where they were unloading had highly recommended us.

I guess I better take my semi-annual bath, change overalls, and go let him buy my lunch.
Replied on Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 11:37 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: JERRY BECK
Quote: "Alfred there must have been a full moon or something. I too had one hekuva week. Only misfired on one load and was able to re-negotiate in my favor on it. Had a major chem company traffic manager call to ask about a lunch meeting. He said I'm too high on rates but one of his field reps had seen our drivers in action and the customer where they were unloading had highly recommended us. I guess I better take my semi-annual bath, change overalls, and go let him buy my lunch."

Good stuff, I never worry about somebody telling me I am too high. I kindly inform them that if I am too high that must mean one thing, they are too cheap to afford our services. Now we all know that we can't win them all, and I would be lying if I was to say that our trucks were running around at the rate that I have targeted. Now that I have my shipper cost calculator done, when they start telling me I am to expensive, I show them the numbers and then ask them if they want to buy their own trucks, trailers, hire dispatchers, and all the other liabilities that come along with it? I tell them to go look at the Tracy Morgan case and then tell me I am too expensive. I tell them to look at the driver shortage due to the falling wages of the truckers. If they want to take on that challange vs making their widgets then so be it, tell me what you want to pay me and my drivers to work for their company along with benefits, and we may just park our trucks and work for them. So far nobody is running out an buying a fleet yet, amazing how that works.

For the brokers, I use the same conversation, when I start running the line items of the shippers cost, a lot of them start getting lost. They are used to telling us what they are paying, instead of us telling them what it cost. When I ask them what the rate is (which sometimes I do, to find out how cheap that are trying to get us for) if it is too cheap than I just say than you and have a nice day, hang up and move on. No need to be rude to some flunky in an office somewhere that has no idea what it cost to run a business.

Don't forget to get rid of that moth ball smell on your suit, Febreeze works really well. LOL
Replied on Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 11:59 AM CST
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Since fuel prices dropped it has confused the heck out of shippers and brokers.

I don't understand how they came up with the idea that mileage rates go down with lowered FSC.
Replied on Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 12:21 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: JERRY BECK
Quote: "Since fuel prices dropped it has confused the heck out of shippers and brokers. I don't understand how they came up with the idea that mileage rates go down with lowered FSC."

Did those tires that take about 8 gallons of oil go down? How about that oil change? Or that gallon of oil that you have in your side box..or that price of the truck? Ever notice that trucking rates is the only thing that goes down...remember back when we had a sugar shortage?coke was a dime..and they raised it to a quarter...see it went back to a dime after the shortage..how about that 8 ft 2x4..that's not even 2x4 ..did the price go down when they were able to cut more trees? My sewer bill has been going up 8% for the last 3 years..and we have water rationing so less is going to the treatment plants..did they go down?NO the company just pocketed the profit..so why does trucking have the honor of going down? When we were regulated..the rates never went down ...and today that shipper is paying you less and charging the same or more for that product..even with cheaper truck rates..why is that?and who is ROFLOL?
Replied on Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 12:39 PM CST
That's absolutely right Jeff, and coffee hasn't gone down after the shortage either.

I cleared much more when freight was regulated. I hauled exempt equipment and building supplies during regulated years and trip leased home a lot. The regulated freight paid good and there was no delay in getting paid.

Most regulated carriers I dealt with had terminal pay and paid at any terminal.
If I mailed in the paperwork Mason Dixon, Ryder, and Redball never took over 10 days to have a check in my mailbox.
Replied on Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 01:00 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: JERRY BECK
Quote: "That's absolutely right Jeff, and coffee hasn't gone down after the shortage either. I cleared much more when freight was regulated. I hauled exempt equipment and building supplies during regulated years and trip leased home a lot. The regulated freight paid good and there was no delay in getting paid. Most regulated carriers I dealt with had terminal pay and paid at any terminal. If I mailed in the paperwork Mason Dixon, Ryder, and Redball never took over 10 days to have a check in my mailbox."

The only way to get it back is to take it back.

We can only do that by becoming our own group of regulators. We as independents must band together, inform our fellow brothers and sisters of what they should be making. We should be establishing the rates based upon the shippers cost and not our own.

I am just a little independent from Peculiar, MO so my power is limited to what Powerhouse does, but if I were part of a bigger group then the leverage would be far greater being part of a bigger kingdom than just being the king of my own.

I realize that a few of us have been saying this for far too long, and many like me have grown frustrated with the truckers inability to listen, they are their own greatest enemy.

Our pride often times gets in the way of common sense business practices.

Replied on Sun, Sep 06, 2015 at 06:56 AM CST
Good conversation fellas iam in for all thee above band of truckers 10-4

Replied on Sun, Sep 06, 2015 at 10:57 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "The only way to get it back is to take it back. We can only do that by becoming our own group of regulators. We as independents must band together, inform our fellow brothers and sisters of what they should be making. We should be establishing the rates based upon the shippers cost and not our own. I am just a little independent from Peculiar, MO so my power is limited to what Powerhouse does, but if I were part of a bigger group then the leverage would be far greater being part of a bigger kingdom than just being the king of my own. I realize that a few of us have been saying this for far too long, and many like me have grown frustrated with the truckers inability to listen, they are their own greatest enemy. Our pride often times gets in the way of common sense business practices. "

Such as a co op..where small can become big..and still be small..where you can be just like a large company like JB..Schneider..swift..knight..and the list goes on..and still only own one truck or a few..beagle to take that 100 truck loads and have control of the rates a little better..funny how that works for the rail road..
Replied on Sun, Sep 06, 2015 at 11:24 AM CST
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That would work
Replied on Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 07:26 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: JERRY BECK
Quote: "That would work"

Leverage good idea
Replied on Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 12:04 PM CST
I'm in, lets get the ball rolling
Replied on Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 12:33 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: DALLAS HUGHBANKS
Quote: "I'm in, lets get the ball rolling"

I believe that if we formed our own group (or Co-op), and each of us focused on our back yards for accounts. We could eliminate the following:

1: Backhauls
2. Double and triple brokering or co-brokering (none of that would be allowed in our group)
3. Accounts being stolen by cheaper carriers and brokers
4. Waiting 30 - 45 days on our money

We could establish the following for our group:

1. A minimum rate that all members would haul for
2. Better quality minded customers that cared about the quality of trucks that they were getting vs the price they were gettting
3. Legal loads vs. overloading our equipment to try and make a deceint living (the railroad does not overload so why should we?)
4. Compensation for detention when due to customer misplanning

Those are just a few of the positives that would result in getting just 1% of the independents to agree on the same matters, in the same place, at the same time. I can set up a conference call for any that are seriously interested in doing this. Just let me know.
Replied on Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 07:00 PM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "I believe that if we formed our own group (or Co-op), and each of us focused on our back yards for accounts. We could eliminate the following: 1: Backhauls 2. Double and triple brokering or co-brokering (none of that would be allowed in our group) 3. Accounts being stolen by cheaper carriers and brokers 4. Waiting 30 - 45 days on our money We could establish the following for our group: 1. A minimum rate that all members would haul for 2. Better quality minded customers that cared about the quality of trucks that they were getting vs the price they were gettting 3. Legal loads vs. overloading our equipment to try and make a deceint living (the railroad does not overload so why should we?) 4. Compensation for detention when due to customer misplanning Those are just a few of the positives that would result in getting just 1% of the independents to agree on the same matters, in the same place, at the same time. I can set up a conference call for any that are seriously interested in doing this. Just let me know."

Here was some of my thoughts before we formed the Independent Carrier Group. The only thing that has changed is the minimum rate is now about profit margin. We just tag teamed with a broker he is making 7% and we are making 29%. 30,000 lb loads power only, 5 days a week, driver to be home every night and off on the weekends.
Replied on Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 10:46 AM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "The only way to get it back is to take it back. We can only do that by becoming our own group of regulators. We as independents must band together, inform our fellow brothers and sisters of what they should be making. We should be establishing the rates based upon the shippers cost and not our own. I am just a little independent from Peculiar, MO so my power is limited to what Powerhouse does, but if I were part of a bigger group then the leverage would be far greater being part of a bigger kingdom than just being the king of my own. I realize that a few of us have been saying this for far too long, and many like me have grown frustrated with the truckers inability to listen, they are their own greatest enemy. Our pride often times gets in the way of common sense business practices. "

My question is: Why are we fighting regulations now, when it was the regulations that actually made us money in the past? Not trying to set off a bomb, just trying to understand.
Replied on Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 10:59 AM CST
Originally Posted by: BRANDON DIEDRICH
Quote: "My question is: Why are we fighting regulations now, when it was the regulations that actually made us money in the past? Not trying to set off a bomb, just trying to understand."

There is a big difference in self regulation and relying on the gooberment to form regulations that are in the Independent Carrier's best interest. I doubt that many if any of us have $50 million laying around to use for lobbying and influencing the lawmakers to right the regulations that actually benefit us. I want you to run through all the trucking regulations that have occurred over the past twenty years and tell me which ones actually benefit the smaller carriers.

These regulations will be formed in the guise of safety but are actually designed to place such a burden on the smaller guy to actually run them out of business or that they have to become a glorified power only lease operation with a mega carrier.

The reason deregulation occurred in the first place was not to actually benefit the individual trucker but the shippers. Albeit most of us small carriers would not exist today if deregulation had not occurred. Deregulation actually in concept was a good thing as long as the ICC was still regulating rates for all with the tariff system. When the killed of the ICC and established the FMCSA then rates were no longer part of the job. That is ok, as long as the free market is actually comprised of business folks that can actually run their numbers. When you make something too easy for anybody to do then you end up with the cess pool that we currently have.

Maybe you are all for over regulation of our industry, I for one am not. Whenever the gooberment starts with over regulating they just don't know when to stop. Right now some of the regulations that are active in the name of safety are actually unsafe (mainly the current HOS). I lived under a lot of gooberment regulations when in the Army and I have to tell you that there seem to be more regulations in trucking than I had in the Army. Does this even make sense to you?
Replied on Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 11:06 AM CST
Originally Posted by: BRANDON DIEDRICH
Quote: "My question is: Why are we fighting regulations now, when it was the regulations that actually made us money in the past? Not trying to set off a bomb, just trying to understand."

I ask this as both a shipper and receiver. I currently offer all our receiver loads to companies I have met here on BulkLoads. They have been great for our deliveries! (Thank you, Damel Corp and Barlow Trucking!) BulkLoads has created this partnership. But, as I look for loads for our drivers, it seems so hostile. What will make us cohorts? rather than combatants?
Replied on Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 11:14 AM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "There is a big difference in self regulation and relying on the gooberment to form regulations that are in the Independent Carrier's best interest. I doubt that many if any of us have $50 million laying around to use for lobbying and influencing the lawmakers to right the regulations that actually benefit us. I want you to run through all the trucking regulations that have occurred over the past twenty years and tell me which ones actually benefit the smaller carriers. These regulations will be formed in the guise of safety but are actually designed to place such a burden on the smaller guy to actually run them out of business or that they have to become a glorified power only lease operation with a mega carrier. The reason deregulation occurred in the first place was not to actually benefit the individual trucker but the shippers. Albeit most of us small carriers would not exist today if deregulation had not occurred. Deregulation actually in concept was a good thing as long as the ICC was still regulating rates for all with the tariff system. When the killed of the ICC and established the FMCSA then rates were no longer part of the job. That is ok, as long as the free market is actually comprised of business folks that can actually run their numbers. When you make something too easy for anybody to do then you end up with the cess pool that we currently have. Maybe you are all for over regulation of our industry, I for one am not. Whenever the gooberment starts with over regulating they just don't know when to stop. Right now some of the regulations that are active in the name of safety are actually unsafe (mainly the current HOS). I lived under a lot of gooberment regulations when in the Army and I have to tell you that there seem to be more regulations in trucking than I had in the Army. Does this even make sense to you?"

It absolutely makes sense, but, are we throwing out the baby with the bathwater? What we understand is that it used to work. (if I am wrong, please put me in a new start point.) The regulations put in place since then DON'T work. Rather than complete deregulation, should we back off to the point that DID work?
Replied on Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 11:44 AM CST
Originally Posted by: BRANDON DIEDRICH
Quote: "It absolutely makes sense, but, are we throwing out the baby with the bathwater? What we understand is that it used to work. (if I am wrong, please put me in a new start point.) The regulations put in place since then DON'T work. Rather than complete deregulation, should we back off to the point that DID work?"

The gooberment will not go back to what is actually best for us smaller business owners. It is up to us to self regulate what is in the best interest of each other. I beleive there is common ground between a small shipper and a small trucking company. I for one don't fool myself any longer about competing with the Mega Carriers nor do I even want to. What I offer is a competive rate for a good service. If my margin does not meet yours then we should not do the deal together. If yours does not meet mine the same applies. I would rather work with an individual as my team mate vs fighting with them to get the coin I need to stay in business.

By us working together willingly as smaller business folks then we can maybe achieve what we are all looking for. Freedom with Integrity.

Our lawmakers often times lack the integrity to do what is actually right for we the people. Their integrity seems to lie with the ones that send contributions to their foundations or pet projects. That means that the majority of business owners in the nation are being screwed by the retrictive regulations that are being put into place. We have to jump through hoops just to compete with the Mega coporations now. The only way to combat this is for we smaller guys to work together instead of against each other.
Replied on Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 12:46 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "The gooberment will not go back to what is actually best for us smaller business owners. It is up to us to self regulate what is in the best interest of each other. I beleive there is common ground between a small shipper and a small trucking company. I for one don't fool myself any longer about competing with the Mega Carriers nor do I even want to. What I offer is a competive rate for a good service. If my margin does not meet yours then we should not do the deal together. If yours does not meet mine the same applies. I would rather work with an individual as my team mate vs fighting with them to get the coin I need to stay in business. By us working together willingly as smaller business folks then we can maybe achieve what we are all looking for. Freedom with Integrity. Our lawmakers often times lack the integrity to do what is actually right for we the people. Their integrity seems to lie with the ones that send contributions to their foundations or pet projects. That means that the majority of business owners in the nation are being screwed by the retrictive regulations that are being put into place. We have to jump through hoops just to compete with the Mega coporations now. The only way to combat this is for we smaller guys to work together instead of against each other."

I agree with that completely. Please dom't use the term gooberment. We are now seeing what happens to a government divided. Our future is US, united. NOT us, divided. How do we unite?
Replied on Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 12:52 PM CST
Originally Posted by: BRANDON DIEDRICH
Quote: "I agree with that completely. Please dom't use the term gooberment. We are now seeing what happens to a government divided. Our future is US, united. NOT us, divided. How do we unite? "

Don't, not dom't.
Replied on Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 01:08 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: BRANDON DIEDRICH
Quote: "I agree with that completely. Please dom't use the term gooberment. We are now seeing what happens to a government divided. Our future is US, united. NOT us, divided. How do we unite? "

When the government gets returned back to We the People and starts governing the way our founding fathers intended or in the best interest of our nation. I will be more than happy to give our government officials the respect they are due.

As long as they continue to act like goobers and dance to the puppet masters tunes then they are rightfully titled. Beings I have been left swinging in the breeze by our wonderful government (to appease you). I feel I have the right to call them whatever I desire. They failed to keep their word to a 17 year old that signed up to defend the Constitution of this great nation of ours. Until I see them keep their word to our Vets and active duty members I will continue to refer to them as the gooberment. Is that okay with you?
Replied on Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 01:45 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "When the government gets returned back to We the People and starts governing the way our founding fathers intended or in the best interest of our nation. I will be more than happy to give our government officials the respect they are due. As long as they continue to act like goobers and dance to the puppet masters tunes then they are rightfully titled. Beings I have been left swinging in the breeze by our wonderful government (to appease you). I feel I have the right to call them whatever I desire. They failed to keep their word to a 17 year old that signed up to defend the Constitution of this great nation of ours. Until I see them keep their word to our Vets and active duty members I will continue to refer to them as the gooberment. Is that okay with you?"

No, it's not okay with me. I gave them my son. And then they abandoned him. When his sister and her daughter died in a fire, two weeks after he came back from a year in Iraq, and he refused to go back to fight a war he didnt agree with, and they gave him an "other than honorable" discharge because he still had an "available" brother with a TBI (who the Marines also abandoned for the delayed entry program, once they found out he was "unfit"), i didn't agree. BUT. My not agreeing with them does not negate respect. I will work for change from within, just as I will work for change from within the trucking industry. It all starts with respect and acknowledgement.
Replied on Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 02:07 PM CST
Originally Posted by: ALFRED JORDAN
Quote: "When the government gets returned back to We the People and starts governing the way our founding fathers intended or in the best interest of our nation. I will be more than happy to give our government officials the respect they are due. As long as they continue to act like goobers and dance to the puppet masters tunes then they are rightfully titled. Beings I have been left swinging in the breeze by our wonderful government (to appease you). I feel I have the right to call them whatever I desire. They failed to keep their word to a 17 year old that signed up to defend the Constitution of this great nation of ours. Until I see them keep their word to our Vets and active duty members I will continue to refer to them as the gooberment. Is that okay with you?"

Thank you.
Replied on Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 04:43 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: BRANDON DIEDRICH
Quote: "Thank you. "

Thank you as well, I can respect you and you can respect I. You can respect those that you believe to be honorable as well as I. I will refuse to respect those that spend our tax dollars on their bogus projects. They continue to send our troops to fight wars that they themselves would never for one minute fight themselves. They need to look out for our own instead of looking out for other nations. I told my family when 9/11 happened that we were going to war and that we would end up worse than Vietnam. They just don't have a bail out plan. Maybe here shortly we can bring out troops home and protect our borders with man power instead of a wall. Those troops will need jobs when the come home, we can not abandon them after what they have given for our country.

I just want to see a government for the people by the people once again.
Replied on Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 05:20 PM CST
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That's a great idea that way it doesn't pit everyone against eachother.