ELD Extension

I called my Congress people again yesterday. You get a smart ass intern and they blow you off. Very discouraging. At this time however I don't think McCain cares as he fights for his life. Very discouraging. As a life member of OOIDA I'm disappointed with them also. I have been a client of their drug program and recently that's a disaster. The manager just doesn't understand the urgency.
Sorry off subject. Congress people need to listen.

Art Pfluger

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Today's actions:

This bill was referred to the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure which will consider it before sending it to the House floor for consideration.

As of July 26:

New Cosponsor: Rep. Rick Allen [R-GA12]

New Cosponsor: Rep. Doug LaMalfa [R-CA1]

New Cosponsor: Rep. Frank Lucas [R-OK3]

New Cosponsor: Rep. Steve Stivers [R-OH15]

New Cosponsor: Rep. David Young [R-IA3]

The bill now has 13 cosponsors (13 Republicans).

7/31

New Cosponsor: Rep. Jim Banks [R-IN3]

New Cosponsor: Rep. Mike Bost [R-IL12]

New Cosponsor: Rep. Michael Conaway [R-TX11]

New Cosponsor: Rep. John Culberson [R-TX7]

New Cosponsor: Rep. Mike Johnson [R-LA4]

New Cosponsor: Rep. Pete Sessions [R-TX32]

The bill now has 35 cosponsors (35 Republicans)

This morning I contacted the US Transportation and Infrastructure Committee - The bill has not been assigned for a Full Committee review or Mark Up and is not on the calendar as of right now to be reviewed or discussed. There is no indication at this time of the when this bill will be read.

Bahahah !

nor do I see why it is funny thank you for the updates I find this information very important and thanks again

That's very nice of you George, thank you.

The Senate and HoR are now on break for August. It is unlikely that this bill will be reviewed in time, let alone passed with less than 140 days left before being enacted. Because Civics class was a long time ago, and because some people have asked where we are in the process and why it is taking so long, this is the process:

1. Introduction: Only a member of Congress may introduce a bill.

2. Referral to committee: The leader of the house in which the bill was introduced then refers the bill to an appropriate committee or committees.

3. Committee action: The committees can refer the bill to subcommittees for action, hearings, markup sessions, and votes. The committee can also kill the bill by doing nothing at all, a process known as pigeonholing. *****This is where the bill is at now*****

4. Referral to the full body: If a committee approves a bill, the bill is sent on to the full House or Senate.

5. Floor debate and vote: The full body debates the bill and then votes.

6. Conference committee: Often, the two houses produce different versions of a single bill. When this happens, both houses appoint members to a conference committee, which works to combine the versions. After the conference committee’s report, both houses must vote on the new consolidated bill and win a majority vote.

7. The President: The president’s only official legislative duty is to sign or veto bills passed by Congress. If the president signs the bill, it becomes law. If the bill is vetoed, it goes back to Congress, which can override the veto with a two-thirds vote in both houses.

Before becoming frustrated with the process, please keep in mind our Constitution was written in such a way to make this a slow process to keep it open for debate and to receive input from the public. The bills for ELD mandate were started over 10 years ago during the Bush Administration, and became law 7 years ago under the Obama Administration. The ELD Extension bill was written as a Hail Mary pass and is not expected to succeed in time under the Trump Administration. If there are continued updates following the return to Session, I will post them, but the bill will most likely be pidgeon holed by the committee and die.

If you are looking for future change, on this or any other topic under consideration, look to your Representatives and Senators. And remind them elections are coming.

I have written letters, called and e-mailed and not gotten any response from Rep. Tom Garrett from Virginia.

New Cosponsor: Rep. Mike Coffman [R-CO6]
The bill now has 43 cosponsors (43 Republicans).

More proof that we do not have a free enterprise system of government in this country, but rather a Facist one.. In a free enterprise system, the market place would have decided the fate of the ELD. Instead we had some Eliteists from a couple of big companies go up to Capitol Hill, and write a check out to our lawmakers to shove this down our throat...The merging of corporate and state interests=Facism. Now that they have openly demonstrated this to me, I have to wonder if I should sell my truck, get a union job, become a Bernie sanders supporter, and advocate taxing the shit out of the CEO's at the big megga trucking companies?

Looks like the ATA asked their own questions and that letter from FMCSA looks like the "fake letterhead" I received once, asking for my bank account information. Maybe the ATA answered their own letter. ATA propaganda trying to make everyone give up and quit protesting. Keep contacting your representatives, let them know the ATA does not represent owner operators and small businesses. The delay might just slide through with other bills.

Let's find out. I read an article saying that independent o/o's will need two accounts. One as driver and one as administrator. That will be interesting. Two logs... Legal...

and also heard yesterday that the bill has been pulled, doesnt matter Mitch wouldve killed it in the senate anyways....hes not gonna let something like that happen to make his wife and her dept look stupid....

well, its nit hust dumbycrats, trump is suppossed to be a repub, the house and senate are controlled by repubs they could kill this in 2 seconds but they re ALL in on it....the only diff between the 2 parties is that repubs think they can run dumb big gooberment programs better that dumbycrats can!!!!

Are they going to be waiting for me at the end of my driveway on December 18?

I believe HR 3282 now has 56 co-sponsors.

Thank you for taking the time to post these updates, it is greatly appreciated.

Jeff you must be a democrat Don't Tell me what to do.

If what you say is true, then why is the ATA so upset about this? I was told jessi Ventura could never get elected, yet he did (by a land slide)... Then I was told that Trump could never get elected, and he did. I will continue to hold on to my hope, as I do not live in North Korea, and the will of the people can still prevail.

Actually they do the will of the donor class. Party no longer has as much pull as the almighty dollar. Both parties pretty much the same fiscally, about the only thing that differentiates them are social issues.
With the senate majority leader being married to the department of transportation secretary I think it doubtful we see any change. His only accomplishment has been the Supreme Court appointments passage. His 10 month report card is pretty sorry. I hope the good people of the common wealth of Kentucky find it in their best interest to retire him.

Btw Jeff, you forgot to mention that the NRA and the republicans now want your guns, because once it's realized that anyone can build a bumpstock in their garage, the focus will then shift to the firearm its attached to, and that both parties now want to censor the internet, so that no one outside the establishment can ever get elected again..... The establishment is running scared right now.

New Cosponsor: Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler [R-WA3]

New Cosponsor: Rep. David Valadao [R-CA21]

The bill now has 58 cosponsors (57 Republicans, 1 Democrat).

That's a nice compliment, but I am perfectly happy where I am running loads and trucks for RFG and trying to make sure we all get a fair shake out of the deal. If you need help in that aspect, feel free to give me a shout at 402-932-8942. Otherwise I will just keep hoping for the best but planning for the worst and keeping this up to date :)

As of 07/18/2017 the bill was referred to the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure. From there it is assigned to a subcommittee and put on the calendar to be heard and considered.

No action will be taken on the bill until the subcommittee reviews it and determines it should be presented to the floor for consideration. At last check, the bill has still not been scheduled to be heard by any subcommitee.

You can check the calendar here: https://transportation.house.gov/

I think this is the one you are thinking of and fairly accurate, too :)

https://youtu.be/FFroMQlKiag

Thats the one!!! Thanks for making me laugh!!

Mccain and Flake they both suck!! They are a very sorry excuse for Senators!! This Bill is before the House if i read this correct, need to call your Congressman not the Senators. But it wont hurt to call both!! Hope they can get this delayed and the logging laws done right such as the on - duty not driving bullshit!!!

I GOT THIS ON AN E MAIL EARLIER THIS MORNING. ANYONE KNOW IF THIS IS CORRECT INFO OR NOT. I HAVE NOT HAD TIME TO CALL THE NUMBER THIS MORNING.

As many of you know --- we, Truckers Solution work hard each day to FIGHT for our drivers! In recent conversations with some larger fleets we realized they aren't moving to ELD's (Electronic Logging Devices.) When we asked why, we realized because most of them already have AOBRD's (Autmatic OnBoard Recording Devices) which technically are quite different than ELD's. The main difference is that on AOBRD's a driver can "EDIT" any portion of the log -- YES you read that correctly, all components are editable. Why is this important?The new FMSCA guideline states, "Drivers and motor carriers currently using 395.15 compliant AOBRD's are allowed to continue to use AOBRDs for an additional 2 years after Dec 18, 2017." If you don't have an AOBRD before Dec 18, 2017 you will NOT be able to purchase or utilize these "EDITABLE" devices after this date. We have found a REPUTABLE device that can be BOTH an AOBRD or an ELD (WHEN YOU NEED IT - in 2 years!) Truckers Solution has negotiated the following: "Preferred" pricing for our members; no up-front equipment costs with monthly fees ranging from $18 per month up to $75 per month depending upon equipment choices you make No payment until the mandate goes into effect. If the mandate goes live Dec 18, 2018 then you will be billed that month; if the mandate is delayed for example, until June 2018 then you pay nothing until June 2018; if the mandate is completely eliminated then you return the equipment and owe nothing All devices can ACT as an AOBRD or an ELD -- you CHOOSE! The system contains a driver view and an "inspection" view -- in the "inspection" view the system contains NO violation hints, color coding or "triggers" that might alert an inspector to any type of violation. In essence they have to find it just like they do today using paperlogs. These KEY differences compelled us to partner with ELDS LLC to bring this offer to our members! ELDS was developed by Transportation professionals with the feedback from drivers and fleets -- not technology gurus with no Transportation experience! The system is user friendly and simple to install. If you would like more information please send us an email at [email protected] or call us at 352-241-6000. We are here to serve! Safe travels, Vickie Vickie Roberts, SVP of Operations, Truckers Solution 352-241-6000 ext 1004 [email protected]

That's bad why???

If you own a fleet of trucks, and can't find drivers because of this mandate, then it is bad for you. And if you are a shipper that cannot find a truck because of this, it's bad for you..... And if you are a broker who cannot find a truck to move your load, you will loose that customer, so that's bad for you..... There you have it, a more short direct answer to your question. But initially I was just commenting on the more aggressive advertising we are seeing, as it relates to loads. They are obviously not moving when posted under the load section, so to get your attention they are posting them on the forum section. And those rates that used to be a closely guarded secret that nobody wanted to show? Well now now they are willing to post those. We have freight to move, but nobody to move it?

The number of Co-sponsors associated to a bill has not been proven to be a true gauge in the success or failure of a bill making it through committee. It just means they receive regular updates on the bill when it is heard by the subcommittee. This is similar to adding someone on the CC line of an email - not required to actually DO anything, but can read it if they want to.

This just proves to me that the HOS is just a but of b.s. if it is ok (and safe) to run exempt when government says it is. Then it should be at all times. We all know the true, smart business person that happens to Drive a truck will be safer without the government looking over their shoulder.

I saw that too.If Trump ignores the request,he may lose a million votes,if he grants the delay,he may lose a lot of campaign $$

money versus votes
which way will he go?

There is a interesting article over in the news section, regarding a recent survey that was done. Only 40% of the industry has complied with president O'drama's mandate...60% have refused. And when you break it down to the 1-5 truck fleets, from 1- 100, it jumps to 93%.....It appears that we are willing to hold our ground, and bring it all down. Not since jimmy Hoffa, has this industry been so united. When you put a man in a position where he has nothing to loose, look out. Even if trump doesn't get rid of the Obama mandate, the ATA is going to loose its voice.... Bahhahaha.

Has anyone heard more about the Ag haulers 90 day extension , who will all be included we haul feeds for chickens for Perdue , Tyson and Mountaire will feeds like corn , soy beans , soy bean meal and wheat qualify ? I've only heard about the cattle and pig haulers so far but they say it's going to be more wide spread ,,are they waiting til the 11th hour to fill people in ?

They speak out of both sides of their mouth. They say trucking is a one size fits all industry, but then they hand out all of these exemptions? Where would rates be on propane and other commodities, if there were no exemptions? Oh that's right, the politicians don't want to be on the 6:00 pm news, explaining to the public, why they need to take a loan out, to heat their house, or how they were made a fool of by the ATA.

If EVERYBODY just shut their truck off on the 17th and refused to run, the problem would be solved...but sadly tge industry is full of steering wheel holders and deisel dummys...this is the industries fault and now they re hoping that tge fox is going to investigate who broke into the hen house....govt ISNT going to fix the problem that govt started!!!!

Right on !!! Buddy I?m with you

my guessiw dave that the ATA has filled his head full of shit, i guess he ll find out the hardway when the economy tanks and he ll be a one and done president...maybe he ll writea book like crooked hillarys he can call his....WTF Happened!!!

What gets me is the entitlement mentality that's out there. Many of us told you that we would quit if this became law, and you did not listen to us.....Now you guys are flipping out and throwing a temper tantrum when your drivers quit. I should not be surprised, since the ATA is run by a bunch of big government liberals, entitlement is a core value.

well put dave!!! drivers have to quit or shut down plain and simple...kings express in st cloud this past friday, elogs along with poor mangt led to their demise...maybe when enough small carriers go under and the somalis and illegals have killed enough people and milk is 10 bucks and gallon and hamburger is 15 a lb we ll be able to get things done, until then i plan on using from now til april 1st to "phase in" my elog, maybe by then the economy will be in the shitter, its my last hope and gamble....

well after listening to trump yesterday talking about this HUGE, GREAT tax cut we re about to get crammed up our anal cavities, i know realize that trump has gone from our last hope at freedom to the bumbling idiot lame stream media makes him out to be....its no wonder he didnt stop the mandate, he probably thinks its gonna be a GREAT thing too...its truely amazing how many retards think trump and tye republicans are going to save us from their FRIENDS from across the aisle...

This may be the dumbest generation of American's yet.....No one will stand up for themselves and fight anymore....... I remember back in the early eighties, watching the news and seeing a farmer in North Dakota, crash his tractor into the bank, becuase they were foreclosing on him. Look at the the truckers of the 60's and 70's, they would at least stand up for themselves as business owners. Today they just roll over, and expect everyone to feel sorry for them.....We let other countries just walk right in here, and take over......We let other nations dictate our immigration policies, and foreign policy........What will the millenials do, when they have 500 angry Chinese doing a bayonet charge on them?

One thing to remember Dave about the millenials, of which I am one- I do agree that the majority of my generation is pretty helpless and unambitious, but very few if any of my generation has been controlling the direction of this country or society for the past 20-30 years, it has been yours and the one before.

Amen Dean.

it doesn't have to turn to rage dave. lets face it, truckers are not widely known for their intelligence. My feeling on this whole ELD stuff is while I absoulutely despise the govt telling me I have to put this device in my truck,(i feel that our founding fathers would have dragged most of our current politicians into the street and publicly executed them) I think we small truckers fell for it again and are attacking the "straw man" here, the elog changes nothing for us if you simplify it, it changes absolutely nothing other than we can no longer successfully lie. The elog makes us adhere to the current HOS rules. Uniting the trucking industry today is like herding cats, cannot be done. Our fight should be either against the HOS rules or facilites that hold us hostage.

Before we except the load we have demurrage and other accesorials agreed upon before we hit the key. I think there will be lots of opportunities for small flexible guys like me in the short term to capatalize on the elogs and get paid great rates for the near future. However, like everything it will settle down and people will adjust and will go right back to what it is now.