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Jan 03, 2018 at 07:45 PM CST
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The analyst from DAT load boards, came out today and stated the load to truck ratio is so high, that they had to pull the graph down today, and redesign a new one. They can no longer use the holidays for a excuse to explain this phenomenon, as the holidays are over. How long will it be until the supply chain is shut down, and they can no longer hide the truth from the public?
Replied on Thu, Jan 04, 2018 at 12:30 PM CST
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It is to bad we are not seeing the rates in the bulk indusry that they are getting for dry van and reefer loads. Most stuff I am seeing is still under $2.00/ Mile. Way to cheap.
Replied on Thu, Jan 04, 2018 at 01:28 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: GARY LIVINGSTONE
Quote: "It is to bad we are not seeing the rates in the bulk indusry that they are getting for dry van and reefer loads. Most stuff I am seeing is still under $2.00/ Mile. Way to cheap."

What's interesting is that money does not seem to be solving this... The loads are backing up on the docks, despite higher rates.... It appears that the drivers have had enough, and are leaving the industry in droves, thanks to the ELD mandate. Even the oil fields cannot find drivers any more. The media and the deep state have tried to block out coverage of this, but they cannot hide the load boards, that tell the truth. Those little peon truckers are revolting, and there is nothing that can be done to stop it. Soon the supply chain will start to stumble.
Replied on Thu, Jan 04, 2018 at 02:28 PM CST
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The load boards that I watch for my area disagree. The volume is not that special and the rates are not good. Glad someone is having some luck but it isn't in my backyard. To top it off trucks can't go but a few days with out a DOT stop.
Replied on Thu, Jan 04, 2018 at 02:36 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: ROSE PFLUGER
Quote: "The load boards that I watch for my area disagree. The volume is not that special and the rates are not good. Glad someone is having some luck but it isn't in my backyard. To top it off trucks can't go but a few days with out a DOT stop."

I caught it last night on landline at about 6:36 pm, when they interviewed mark montigue, from DAT load boards. They covered dry van reefer and flatbed markets....... That said I agree with you art, on the bulk load boards not much has changed. I wish you the best of luck getting through these tough times.
Replied on Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 12:12 PM CST
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Yes it seemed like pneumatic loads they want me to haul at 6% less than two years ago. told the people that I pulled for that unhooking back up to my van And go They offered me a 6% rase that find the cover the fuel let alone the cost of running which is 10%. Van bird is full everybody wants me to haul for them if always had van and pneumatics I always look for best buck if 1 don’t work the other sometimes does
Replied on Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 05:14 PM CST
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As of this past wensday, I believe the load to truck ratio for dry van, was 14:1, and reefers were at 12:1, as reported by DAT. I believe they said a average of 2.74 a mile, overall. The bulk market is nowhere close to that right now, and probably never will be. It one can't succeed in the bulk market, there are other options out there.
Replied on Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 10:05 PM CST
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I agree 100% and it's definitely a joke. everyone have a great weekend.
Replied on Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 07:45 PM CST
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This weeks load to truck ratio, as reported by DAT, on landline radio tonight. Dry vans @ 14.7 to 1. Reefer loads @ 25 to1. Flatbed @ 63 to 1.
Replied on Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 06:29 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: DAVE WINTERS
Quote: "This weeks load to truck ratio, as reported by DAT, on landline radio tonight. Dry vans @ 14.7 to 1. Reefer loads @ 25 to1. Flatbed @ 63 to 1. "

Hello good morning spanking comment on the loads if they just pay up for somebody to move it wouldn't be so high and their buddy be happy anyway be safe safety first have a good day . peace O if anybody has any dry van loads out there for Illinois I'd be happy to take them for about 3 months or if it paid good enough I just stay. Thank you
Replied on Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 12:48 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: MATTHEW LEMBKE
Quote: "Hello good morning spanking comment on the loads if they just pay up for somebody to move it wouldn't be so high and their buddy be happy anyway be safe safety first have a good day . peace O if anybody has any dry van loads out there for Illinois I'd be happy to take them for about 3 months or if it paid good enough I just stay. Thank you"

Minneapolis to Chicago is up 40 cents a mile now, at $3:00 @ mile, so you live in a very good lane right now, for dry vans. And these guys are are making this on 5 axles, instead of seven. That said loads continue to back up on the docks, and money is not fixing it, the third week into the mentally retarded ELD mandate. It is the middle of January, the slowest time of the year, so if they can't move freight now, what are they going to do when the Ag exemptions expire in 60 days, and we get closer to spring? It does not matter what people sitting behind a desk think anymore, it only matters what the drivers think, and they have said enough is enough.
Replied on Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 01:46 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: MATTHEW LEMBKE
Quote: "Hello good morning spanking comment on the loads if they just pay up for somebody to move it wouldn't be so high and their buddy be happy anyway be safe safety first have a good day . peace O if anybody has any dry van loads out there for Illinois I'd be happy to take them for about 3 months or if it paid good enough I just stay. Thank you"

Mathew if you were to go and knock on doors right now, you would probably get a very warm reception right now, as you are not just some guy with a phone, you are a guy with a truck, who can get the job done. Lots of opertunity out there for you right now.
Replied on Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 07:32 PM CST
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Today's load to truck ratio as reported by DAT load boards, on landline radio...... Dry vans @ 10.7:1, averaging $2.28 per mile........ Flatbeds @ 53.7:1, averaging $2.42 per mile....... Reefers @ 18.4:1, averaging $2.70 per mile. Down a bit from last week, but still off the charts for the middle of January. Demand for trucks can only increase from here, as we get closer to spring time. The Extra Large Dildo mandate ELD is in full swing. I wonder how many shippers are stocking up on Vaseline in advance?
Replied on Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 09:14 PM CST
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That last part made me laugh.
Replied on Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 09:42 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: DAVE WINTERS
Quote: "Today's load to truck ratio as reported by DAT load boards, on landline radio...... Dry vans @ 10.7:1, averaging $2.28 per mile........ Flatbeds @ 53.7:1, averaging $2.42 per mile....... Reefers @ 18.4:1, averaging $2.70 per mile. Down a bit from last week, but still off the charts for the middle of January. Demand for trucks can only increase from here, as we get closer to spring time. The Extra Large Dildo mandate ELD is in full swing. I wonder how many shippers are stocking up on Vaseline in advance?"

I’m not in a position to argue effectively on this since all I do is call on a few loads to check and field a few calls from hopeful brokers but I seldom hear of anything for flatbed going north of $2.00. I have a drop deck I thought about hooking up to after your initial post about the load ratios but after checking around a bit I let it sit. I would imagine most are still hoping to move things cheaper as long as they can. It could also be that I just don’t know the right places to look since I haven’t done much open deck work in about 7 years. Anyway, I’m optimistic that a rising tide raises all boats.
Replied on Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:21 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: VAN HOCK
Quote: "That last part made me laugh."

I do my best to keep it entertaining, so we don't get bored. That said I always look forward to wensday night, when landline brings mark montigue on the air, the market analyst from DAT, to talk about the load to truck ratio. Broadcast every wensday at 6:00 pm, and again at 10:00 pm, on Sirius Xm, Chanel 146.
Replied on Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 09:04 AM CST
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When they talk about load count do you think they take into account that so many loads are duplicate loads by numerous shysters, opps, I meant brokers.
Replied on Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 10:39 AM CST
Originally Posted by: RUSS WILLIAMS
Quote: "When they talk about load count do you think they take into account that so many loads are duplicate loads by numerous shysters, opps, I meant brokers."

I would assume that they do, becuase they always list the overall rate per mile, and it seems to correspond and track consistently. When the load posts go up, the rate follows accordingly.
Replied on Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 12:11 PM CST
How does the Load count ratio to truck have anything to do with the rates they are posting? If there are 100 loads posted and 10 trucks posted but then TQL and the other idiots go and repost loads that they don't have so now there are 500 loads posted the ratio goes from 10:1 to 50:1....DATS reports have been and always will be garbage in,garbage out.
Replied on Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 01:21 PM CST
Originally Posted by: RUSS WILLIAMS
Quote: "How does the Load count ratio to truck have anything to do with the rates they are posting? If there are 100 loads posted and 10 trucks posted but then TQL and the other idiots go and repost loads that they don't have so now there are 500 loads posted the ratio goes from 10:1 to 50:1....DATS reports have been and always will be garbage in,garbage out."

It's called supply and demand. When shippers notice loads are not moving, rates go up. Simply reposting the same load to inflate the ratio won't make the rate go up, but the load not moving will make the rate go up. DAT has built a credible reputation over the years, and is often referred to by industry leaders becuase of it. In this Industry people make money off of what you don't know. There are several shippers, and some brokers, that would prefer you not know where the load ratio is, so that they can convince you to work for less. What I have never understood is why so many truckers think if it sucks for them, or is great for them, then it has to be the same for everyone else too. Only by looking at the Data, can you figure out where the market really is. That's what Wall Street does, that's what the bankers do, and that's what stock brokers do. I think I can learn something from that, even if you don't.
Replied on Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 02:34 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: RUSS WILLIAMS
Quote: "How does the Load count ratio to truck have anything to do with the rates they are posting? If there are 100 loads posted and 10 trucks posted but then TQL and the other idiots go and repost loads that they don't have so now there are 500 loads posted the ratio goes from 10:1 to 50:1....DATS reports have been and always will be garbage in,garbage out."

I will say too, that as a broker, I've seen both sides of this. Sometimes we see a "high" L/T ratio and are worried a load will be hard to cover and it ends up being simple. Now there could be a lot of factors or luck. This leads me to think that that particular market is seeing a lot of reports.

Historically speaking from my experience, is that 2-3 loads per truck was normal, and my guess landed the actual figure closer to the 1:1 ratio with reposts and poor priced loads on the boards. Anything listed at under 2:1 and our phones will usually blow up and the load goes quick.

Overall it is definitely an inexact science and a learning curve. All regional markets are different. DAT is just another tool of it all.

ALSO - for you carriers out there, do us a favor and (politely!?) let us know if we are selling the same load as the next guy. I personally hate it when I find out that 35 other brokers have the same load posted and don't want to be wasting my time with it. Unfortunately some customers send these emails out and we have no idea if its directed at us uniquely or to everyone.


Replied on Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 04:13 PM CST
There is a interesting article over in the news section of this forum, if anyone missed it, that ties into what's being discussed here. It's titled "Transportation shortage reaches critical stage". The Vice President of Lone star Citrus Growers says that they have seen the rates double, in less than a month.
Replied on Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 08:03 AM CST
Originally Posted by: RUSS WILLIAMS
Quote: "When they talk about load count do you think they take into account that so many loads are duplicate loads by numerous shysters, opps, I meant brokers."

I would like to completely agree with Russ here in St. Louis there is a shipper (Shipper A) that I am signed up with to view their load board. They will have loads posted to various locations. Then if these loads don't interest me I go on the flatbed loadboard to find something. The loads from Shipper A you can see posted by at minimum 3 different brokers. The other trick these shysters use is posting the same load from a neighboring community as where Shipper A is located so that shows as a different load. Then on top of that a lot of the shysters (looking at you Saturn Freight) are to busy to remove the load posted after it has been covered until they get a free moment say a couple of days later. So if DAT takes this into account great but I'm betting they don't. Or maybe its just in a city that is spiralling down the toilet like St. Louis.
Replied on Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 08:13 AM CST
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Why does everyone want the ELDs to go away
Im loving the 20 to 50% price increase
Learn to adapt and grow
Make hay while the sun shines
Oppurtunity if endless

Replied on Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 08:27 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: JESSICA REUTHER
Quote: "I would like to completely agree with Russ here in St. Louis there is a shipper (Shipper A) that I am signed up with to view their load board. They will have loads posted to various locations. Then if these loads don't interest me I go on the flatbed loadboard to find something. The loads from Shipper A you can see posted by at minimum 3 different brokers. The other trick these shysters use is posting the same load from a neighboring community as where Shipper A is located so that shows as a different load. Then on top of that a lot of the shysters (looking at you Saturn Freight) are to busy to remove the load posted after it has been covered until they get a free moment say a couple of days later. So if DAT takes this into account great but I'm betting they don't. Or maybe its just in a city that is spiralling down the toilet like St. Louis."

How do you explain the rates going up, if it's not driven by supply and demand? You now have the shippers turning up in news articles, saying that the rate has doubled in less than a month, and they still can't find trucks........ If your not seeing any more money as a carrier, then the broker is skimming it off the top.
Replied on Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 10:06 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: COLIN POSTANCE
Quote: "Why does everyone want the ELDs to go away Im loving the 20 to 50% price increase Learn to adapt and grow Make hay while the sun shines Oppurtunity if endless "

The ELD is costing shippers a lot of money, rates have doubled in the last month in some markets, and this is just getting started, so the sky is the limit right now...So the shippers would like to see it disappear, Just like Jimmy Hoffa. Needless to say, I am glad the ELD was not my idea. Then there is the drivers, that feel like they are now a slave on a old southern cotton plantation, and they now have a master standing behind them, Holding a Bull Whip, and pushing them to work, when they would rather not, Wich is why money will not fix this..... In my area, I have seen carrier's loose anywhere from 15-40% of their drivers, depending on the type of operation, since December 18th, and drivers continue to quit every week. Trucks are totally useless without drivers, so many carriers can't really capitalize on the opertunity right now.
Replied on Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 01:05 AM CST
This weeks Load to truck ratio, as reported by DAT 1-24-18. Dry vans, 9.8 per truck, averaging 2.27 per mile, Flat beds 53.9 per truck averaging 2.40 per mile, Reefers at 15.5 per truck averaging 2.70 per mile. Down just slightly from last week, but still way off the charts for January when you consider that 2-3 loads per truck is the norm, especially with Dry vans. Now I have seen a couple of people try to argue with these numbers, and try to make the case that supply and demand, have nothing to do with rates. Well There are many economists out there that would disagree with them. So I would like to point to all of the news articles that are popping up, that seem to support the information put out by DAT. I believe CBS news channel 5 in Arizona just popped up in the news section the other day. This is becoming the news cycle now. How much longer can the denial go on ? And how much longer will truckers stay around the bulk market, when they see the guys pulling other types of freight making twice what they make pulling a hopper? And how long will it be until the shippers get pissed, and start funding a super PAC, to go after the politicians responsible for the ELD mandate, and get them voted out of office?
Replied on Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 03:22 PM CST
Dave,
In your opinion, what would be the best freight market to be in right now, reefer?
Replied on Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 03:26 PM CST
From what I've seen, reefer out east is just insane right now. Did a bunch of quoting in the NJ/PA as an origin heading up towards MA ---- I'm expecting to pay between 5-6/mile on anything out that way. Someone who is willing to stay out east for a few weeks at a time should be able to make some very good money. Van isn't far behind either...
Replied on Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 03:54 PM CST
You can succeed or fail in any market, so it comes down to how well you know the market to start with, and then how skilled of a negotiator you are, along with the demand in that particular market. Being successful in trucking is a lot like playing poker, you have to know when to hold'm, and know when to fold'm, know when to walk away, and know when to run. ( Kenny rogers said it best)...... The best stradegy is to remain fluid, and be able to react rapidly to a changing landscape ( similar to how the special forces operate). Education is the key, do your homework! That said if I had to pick a particular market right now, I would say Reefer.
Replied on Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 06:06 PM CST
Originally Posted by: CLAY WALTON
Quote: "Dave, In your opinion, what would be the best freight market to be in right now, reefer? "

I do have neighbors who are grossing 10k per week now, running reefer between Minneapolis and California. The revenue is there in refrigerated right now.
Replied on Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 06:13 PM CST
Right now reefer is hot, but so is everything else, (except Bulk). As we get closer to spring time, some tornadoes and hurricanes will hit, and you will see flat bed rates sky rocket, as building materials fly off the shelf, at the same time infrastructure takes off. The Insurance companies will be the ones flipping the bill, so I would think that has the potential to blow reefer rates out of the water at that point. That said, everyone needs to eat, and retailers have room to work with...... I see the railroads and barge companies filling the vacum, as everyone unhooks the hopper, to follow the money. When you consider that 70 percent of the price of anything you buy is related to the cost of transportation, and that rates will probably triple by summer, I would say trump can kiss his high stock market index good by. Listening to the ATA will cost him his presidency.
Replied on Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 09:06 PM CST
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This weeks Load to truck ratio as reported by DAT on 1-31-18......... Dry vans at 9.8 per truck, averaging 2.27 per mile, Flatbeds at 53.9, averaging 2.40 per mile, Reefers at 15.5, averaging 2.70 per mile... Dry bulk still not worth talking about. First they said it was becuase of santa clause and the holidays then they said it was becuase of bad weather, now it's becuase of the tooth ferry, and next week it will be because of Big foot, probably followed by the Easter bunny. Any excuse in the book, except the ELD itself. Rates went up, and drivers continue to quit, so its pretty clear to us that you boneheads responsible for this mess, have lost control over the entire industry at this point. Soon the truckers will be telling you policy makers what to do. Why don't you try shoving some more bullshit regulations down our throat, and see how that turns out for you? Go ahead make my day.
Replied on Fri, Feb 09, 2018 at 09:47 PM CST
David I've read a number of your post and it seams like you are well versed and speak well for our industry. I'm new to this forum stuff and would like to become more familiar and follow your post. Keep up the good work, and if there is anything you can suggest for me to stand up for o/o's let me know.
Replied on Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 10:00 AM CST
Originally Posted by: MICHAEL HEILIG
Quote: "David I've read a number of your post and it seams like you are well versed and speak well for our industry. I'm new to this forum stuff and would like to become more familiar and follow your post. Keep up the good work, and if there is anything you can suggest for me to stand up for o/o's let me know."

Thank you micheal. After covering this topic for the past 4 weeks, It's now clear what kind of impact the ELD mandate has had. A little more than a month into it, and the stock market is stumbling, just like when OPEC put the price of oil through the roof. Only this time it's the price of trucking that's doing it. There is a limit to how fast you can raise a rate, and how high a rate can go, before you see negative consequences. Think of it in terms of a engine with a oil leak. As long as you can replace the oil at the same rate you are loosing it, you will maintain oil pressure. BUT when you are loosing oil faster than you can replace it, you will eventually start sucking air and loose oil pressure resulting in catastrophic failure. (The stumble in the stock market is that air).
Replied on Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 08:43 AM CST
Dave, do you have an update of this information?
Replied on Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 09:22 AM CST
Originally Posted by: TATE THORESON
Quote: "Dave, do you have an update of this information?"

I was hoping by now that many of you were following this information on your own, over on their blog at DAT. Rates had dipped slightly three weeks ago, for vans and reefers, but appeared to be bouncing back more recently. The L/T ratio has been extremely healthy over all, and even where the national average took a slight dip, you still seen rates going up, instead of down in key lanes, which sort of flies in the face of supply and demand, indicating that shippers may be testing the waters by trying to push back, where possible. I have no doubt that behind closed doors, they are screaming at lawmakers.
Replied on Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 01:13 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: DAVE WINTERS
Quote: "I was hoping by now that many of you were following this information on your own, over on their blog at DAT. Rates had dipped slightly three weeks ago, for vans and reefers, but appeared to be bouncing back more recently. The L/T ratio has been extremely healthy over all, and even where the national average took a slight dip, you still seen rates going up, instead of down in key lanes, which sort of flies in the face of supply and demand, indicating that shippers may be testing the waters by trying to push back, where possible. I have no doubt that behind closed doors, they are screaming at lawmakers."

My goal here has been to point many of you in the right direction so you can gain knowledge of the market, and understand your value. The better informed you are the less likely you will be taken advantage of. And if your not hauling for cheap, then the rest of us don't have to either. Everyone wins. There is more than enough work to go around, and be profitable for all of us. The shysters don't want you to be informed, they profit off of your lack of knowledge. They make money based off of what you don't know. That's why they like the revolving door scenario, nobody sticks around long enough to figure anything out. The megga's will tell you that to succeed, you need 8mpg and 30 plus tons in the box. It's funny that the only way they can succeed is to keep exploiting the hell out of every boat load of immigrants that shows up, and bribe our lawmakers to drive down the productivity of the rest of us, with E-logs.
Replied on Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 07:48 AM CST
THANK YOU
I HAVE SEEN LOADS BUT NO INCRESE IN RATES. IN MY PART OF THE COUNTRY. MID IOWA
I THINK JUST WAIT FOR ELD MANDATE DAY. LETS ALL GO ON STRIKE. PARK THEM TRUCKS DRIVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Replied on Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 08:32 AM CST
Originally Posted by: MIKE HUBER
Quote: "THANK YOU I HAVE SEEN LOADS BUT NO INCRESE IN RATES. IN MY PART OF THE COUNTRY. MID IOWA I THINK JUST WAIT FOR ELD MANDATE DAY. LETS ALL GO ON STRIKE. PARK THEM TRUCKS DRIVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

There is strength in numbers. Look at the bull haulers, they all stuck together and got a exemption. The government knows that as a group, the bull haulers won't put up with any shit. They would stick to their guns and embarrass the hell out of the government, by shutting down and then the Elitist's would not be able to have their steak dinner. Burger King and Mc Donald's would be out of business as well. Half the trucks out here are owned by farmers. What would happen if they would just park them and focus more on the farm for a month?
Replied on Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 11:45 AM CST
Originally Posted by: MIKE HUBER
Quote: "THANK YOU I HAVE SEEN LOADS BUT NO INCRESE IN RATES. IN MY PART OF THE COUNTRY. MID IOWA I THINK JUST WAIT FOR ELD MANDATE DAY. LETS ALL GO ON STRIKE. PARK THEM TRUCKS DRIVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

I would have to agree with most of you guys, who say that rates have not went up here in the bulk world. If they did go up, it's usually because it was way under priced to start with. I haven't worked the bulk market since December 18th, because I did not want to deal with loads of frozen material that sat in the trailer over night. Everyone I talk to that stayed with it, has yet to see more money. They are still hauling the shit for the same money that they got, prior to December 18th. In fact they are actually making less money today, since they now park much earlier in the day, due to the ELD. As for other markets, rates have went up. I get several phone calls every day from brokers who are willing to pay a direct rate, for short haul drop and hook. Still there is a lot of stuff that don't add up. If the L/T ratios are correct, there should be nobody out there moving anything at a back haul rate anymore, in any market.
Replied on Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 08:00 AM CST
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Originally Posted by: COLIN POSTANCE
Quote: "Why does everyone want the ELDs to go away Im loving the 20 to 50% price increase Learn to adapt and grow Make hay while the sun shines Oppurtunity if endless "

I could be wrong, but I'm assuming that 20-50 percent price increase you are seeing is not getting passed along to the carrier. it's also my opinion that the only people in favor of the eld, are people that do not own a truck. I agree on adapting, but the problem with making hay while the sun shines, is that if we keep letting the government over regulate everything...they probably will have a law that making hay during daylight hours is a violation and somehow harms the environment. they already control when and how and how much fertilizer I can use. where I can feed my cows. when I can spray weeds. and now when I can drive my own truck. so I'd like to honestly hear your reason for being pro eld and have a discussion about it. I don't mean to bash your opinion. just stating mine
Replied on Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 10:07 PM CST
I see the same thing Gary. I'm asking for more, but less than 20% of the time am I getting it. I do have the occasional good pay story. My friend Mike was in the right place at the right time. Bulk Container needed hauled ASAP. 800 miles $4000 . But I still se stuff like a 490 mile load, paying $985. Just not enough.
Replied on Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 10:17 PM CST
Originally Posted by: MORGAN QUICK
Quote: "I’m not in a position to argue effectively on this since all I do is call on a few loads to check and field a few calls from hopeful brokers but I seldom hear of anything for flatbed going north of $2.00. I have a drop deck I thought about hooking up to after your initial post about the load ratios but after checking around a bit I let it sit. I would imagine most are still hoping to move things cheaper as long as they can. It could also be that I just don’t know the right places to look since I haven’t done much open deck work in about 7 years. Anyway, I’m optimistic that a rising tide raises all boats. "

there were 600 loads for drops in Iowa right now. Schaller, Breda and one other site. Replaced an bunch of generator, blades and hubs. Now the used stuff needs to go to the scrap yard. I believe $4.40 mile. Destinations are Rock Island and Muscatine, Iowa.
Replied on Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 10:27 PM CST
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Originally Posted by: COLIN POSTANCE
Quote: "Why does everyone want the ELDs to go away Im loving the 20 to 50% price increase Learn to adapt and grow Make hay while the sun shines Oppurtunity if endless "

Can't make it work in the feed and feed ingredients game. Lines are big do to all the new animals on feed. Looking at a 20000+ increase in demand just in our neighborhood. Its pretty tough to tell a farmer, or the mill that your 5 miles away and out of hours do big lines, and can't make the delivery. I tried to run 100% legal, missed 35-40% of my loads. My customers were just screeming. An we don't have enough extra help to cover those situations, most don't. There ain't enough drivers to make it happen.

Side thought on the 20-50% price up. Just remember, that price jump will find its way to the things you shop for.