This will probably ruffle some feathers...

Jan 14, 2020 at 08:50 PM CST + 25 - 2
JOSH DRAYFAHL JOSH DRAYFAHL TRUCKING LLC Columbus Junction, IA 6 Posts, 9 +, 1 -	JOSH DRAYFAHL JOSH DRAYFAHL TRUCKING LLC - Columbus Junction, IA Just so it's clear to begin with. I am in NO WAY lumping all the folks with triples and quads in one group. If you feel what I'm gonna say is directed towards you, more than likely you have enabled this problem at one time or another. I'm sure everyone started out with good intentions when they decided to buy a big wagon. I'm sure you all planned on making more money than what you were with the old tandem. Why go spend another $10k-$15k+ more for the big wagon if you wasn't gonna make more money? Right? Somewhere along the way one of you folks got pushed over on the rate. That customer you have had for years stabbed you in the back. When the bill you were sending them instantly jumped one week, red flags flew. So the numbers cruncher looked into it and found the reason for the increase. I'm sure at 1st it didn't bother them knowing they had a higher truckin bill. Why would it bother them? The rate didn't go up and more product was being moved. Win win right? That day came where that wasn't good enough anymore. Let's say you have $30 on the rate. 25t on the old tandem put at $750/load. 30t on the big wagon $900/load. Now that number cruncher comes along looking for a way to cut cost for that loyal customer. What do they see right there in black and white. That $150 difference per load. Big money saver right there. $39000/yr @ 5 loads a week in savings? Here's where that domino fell. For fear of losing that loyal customer you agreed to a lesser rate. So you let them cut $5t off the rate. According to them you were doing great hauling 25t for $750 so why would it be any different hauling 30t for $750. That good idea of making more money just went out the window. Now just hauling more weight for a cheaper rate. No better off than where you were with the tandem. That 1st domino that fell didn't just hurt the big wagons, little wagons are along for the ride to. Seems certain shippers are trying to push out the 25t guys. Especially when the rate is barely $2/mi on 30t. I'm sure this is gonna strike a nerve with some. The ones that it strikes a nerve with, probably a safe bet they are one of the fallen dominoes. The ones that justify it by saying "I'm saving my customer money", I just don't understand. That customer don't care about saving you money. I'm sure they would tell you to go back to a tandem at the original rate if they did care. But hell no they don't, they found a fool that was willing to take on a bigger cost for their operation that cut the cost of theirs. Some of you need to quit being that fool. The rest of us would appreciate that.

Jan 14, 2020 at 08:50 PM CST

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JOSH DRAYFAHL

JOSH DRAYFAHL TRUCKING LLC

Columbus Junction, IA

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JOSH DRAYFAHL

JOSH DRAYFAHL TRUCKING LLC - Columbus Junction, IA

Just so it's clear to begin with. I am in NO WAY lumping all the folks with triples and quads in one group. If you feel what I'm gonna say is directed towards you, more than likely you have enabled this problem at one time or another.

I'm sure everyone started out with good intentions when they decided to buy a big wagon. I'm sure you all planned on making more money than what you were with the old tandem. Why go spend another $10k-$15k+ more for the big wagon if you wasn't gonna make more money? Right?

Somewhere along the way one of you folks got pushed over on the rate. That customer you have had for years stabbed you in the back. When the bill you were sending them instantly jumped one week, red flags flew. So the numbers cruncher looked into it and found the reason for the increase. I'm sure at 1st it didn't bother them knowing they had a higher truckin bill. Why would it bother them? The rate didn't go up and more product was being moved. Win win right? That day came where that wasn't good enough anymore. Let's say you have $30 on the rate. 25t on the old tandem put at $750/load. 30t on the big wagon $900/load. Now that number cruncher comes along looking for a way to cut cost for that loyal customer. What do they see right there in black and white. That $150 difference per load. Big money saver right there. $39000/yr @ 5 loads a week in savings? Here's where that domino fell. For fear of losing that loyal customer you agreed to a lesser rate. So you let them cut $5t off the rate. According to them you were doing great hauling 25t for $750 so why would it be any different hauling 30t for $750. That good idea of making more money just went out the window. Now just hauling more weight for a cheaper rate. No better off than where you were with the tandem.

That 1st domino that fell didn't just hurt the big wagons, little wagons are along for the ride to. Seems certain shippers are trying to push out the 25t guys. Especially when the rate is barely $2/mi on 30t. I'm sure this is gonna strike a nerve with some. The ones that it strikes a nerve with, probably a safe bet they are one of the fallen dominoes. The ones that justify it by saying "I'm saving my customer money", I just don't understand. That customer don't care about saving you money. I'm sure they would tell you to go back to a tandem at the original rate if they did care. But hell no they don't, they found a fool that was willing to take on a bigger cost for their operation that cut the cost of theirs. Some of you need to quit being that fool. The rest of us would appreciate that.

Replied on Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 10:15 AM CST
MEL B BM HAULING Orlando, FL 12 Posts, 21 +, 0 -	MEL B BM HAULING - Orlando, FL True, In Florida with O/W Permit you can Haul Gw 88,000 local , sounds good but In fine with 80,000 / 25tons only Well some brokers give you the first load example $33/ton by 30 tons on truck =$990.00, but when they find out you can haul 30 tons , they just says ( aaahhh uuuummm is slow I call you right back , and lie ooooo uuuumm the customer want to pay $29/ton $29x 30= $870.00 $990-$870= $120 per load Remember if you go from Tallahassee to Miami will take you 2 days running local with 88,000 LOL you can’t take I95/I75 In fine with 24.9 tons Interstate coffe on hand Nothing personal with brokers Its just business

Replied on Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 10:15 AM CST

MEL B

BM HAULING

Orlando, FL

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MEL B

BM HAULING - Orlando, FL

True, In Florida with O/W Permit you can Haul Gw 88,000 local , sounds good but In fine with 80,000 / 25tons only Well some brokers give you the first load example $33/ton by 30 tons on truck =$990.00, but when they find out you can haul 30 tons , they just says ( aaahhh uuuummm is slow I call you right back , and lie ooooo uuuumm the customer want to pay $29/ton $29x 30= $870.00 $990-$870= $120 per load Remember if you go from Tallahassee to Miami will take you 2 days running local with 88,000 LOL you can’t take I95/I75 In fine with 24.9 tons Interstate coffe on hand Nothing personal with brokers Its just business

Replied on Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:09 PM CST
GEORGE SLATER SLATER TRANSPORT Dunnellon, FL 36 Posts, 19 +, 1 -	GEORGE SLATER SLATER TRANSPORT - Dunnellon, FL Originally Posted by: MEL B Quote: "True, In Florida with O/W Permit you can Haul Gw 88,000 local , sounds good but In fine with 80,000 / 25tons only Well some brokers give you the first load example $33/ton by 30 tons on truck =$990.00, but when they find out you can haul 30 tons , they just says ( aaahhh uuuummm is slow I call you right back , and lie ooooo uuuumm the customer want to pay $29/ton $29x 30= $870.00 $990-$870= $120 per load Remember if you go from Tallahassee to Miami will take you 2 days running local with 88,000 LOL you can’t take I95/I75 In fine with 24.9 tons Interstate coffe on hand Nothing personal with brokers Its just business" well my thought is you let shipper know you get 88,000 on legal let them think you are loading heavy

Replied on Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:09 PM CST

GEORGE SLATER

SLATER TRANSPORT

Dunnellon, FL

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GEORGE SLATER

SLATER TRANSPORT - Dunnellon, FL

Originally Posted by: MEL B
Quote: "True, In Florida with O/W Permit you can Haul Gw 88,000 local , sounds good but In fine with 80,000 / 25tons only Well some brokers give you the first load example $33/ton by 30 tons on truck =$990.00, but when they find out you can haul 30 tons , they just says ( aaahhh uuuummm is slow I call you right back , and lie ooooo uuuumm the customer want to pay $29/ton $29x 30= $870.00 $990-$870= $120 per load Remember if you go from Tallahassee to Miami will take you 2 days running local with 88,000 LOL you can’t take I95/I75 In fine with 24.9 tons Interstate coffe on hand Nothing personal with brokers Its just business"

well my thought is you let shipper know you get 88,000 on legal let them think you are loading heavy

Replied on Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 03:31 PM CST
DAVID KROUSE DAVID S. KROUSE TRUCKING Red Lion, PA 126 Posts, 24 +, 50 -	DAVID KROUSE DAVID S. KROUSE TRUCKING - Red Lion, PA Bingo! Point made without even mentioning the "B" word. I see one has already hit you with a downvote.

Replied on Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 03:31 PM CST

DAVID KROUSE

DAVID S. KROUSE TRUCKING

Red Lion, PA

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DAVID KROUSE

DAVID S. KROUSE TRUCKING - Red Lion, PA

Bingo! Point made without even mentioning the "B" word. I see one has already hit you with a downvote.

Replied on Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 03:59 PM CST
STEVE HOSTETLER STEPHEN J HOSTETLER Lumberton, MS 5 Posts, 21 +, 2 -	STEVE HOSTETLER STEPHEN J HOSTETLER - Lumberton, MS There has to be an incentive for hauling heavy. Otherwise I WILL NOT. Just my opinion, but it doesn't make any sense to me to wear my truck out faster for the same price.

Replied on Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 03:59 PM CST

STEVE HOSTETLER

STEPHEN J HOSTETLER

Lumberton, MS

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STEVE HOSTETLER

STEPHEN J HOSTETLER - Lumberton, MS

There has to be an incentive for hauling heavy. Otherwise I WILL NOT. Just my opinion, but it doesn't make any sense to me to wear my truck out faster for the same price.

Replied on Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 05:26 PM CST + 1
PHILIP HEARN 2 GATES TRUCKING LLC MYLO, ND 17 Posts, 0 +, 0 -	PHILIP HEARN 2 GATES TRUCKING LLC - MYLO, ND In North Dakota with 6 axles we can go to 94,000 or with 7 axles to 105,500. Sounds good from the outside. More maintanance, more tires, more fuel. in reality. Tandem runnig long haul makes as much or more at the end of the day with less outgo.

Replied on Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 05:26 PM CST

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PHILIP HEARN

2 GATES TRUCKING LLC

MYLO, ND

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PHILIP HEARN

2 GATES TRUCKING LLC - MYLO, ND

In North Dakota with 6 axles we can go to 94,000 or with 7 axles to 105,500. Sounds good from the outside. More maintanance, more tires, more fuel. in reality. Tandem runnig long haul makes as much or more at the end of the day with less outgo.

Replied on Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:40 AM CST + 3
DAVE WINTERS DWT TRUCKING CLEARWATER, MN 714 Posts, 358 +, 130 -	DAVE WINTERS DWT TRUCKING - CLEARWATER, MN You lock a bunch of dogs in a cage for a week and don’t feed them, and then toss a small piece of meat in there, and watch them destroy each other trying to get it so they can survive another day, and that’s a crime, but you do it to truckers and it’s considered entertainment. One day that dog doesn’t go for the meat, he goes for your throat because he’s gone mad with rage.

Replied on Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:40 AM CST

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DAVE WINTERS

DWT TRUCKING

CLEARWATER, MN

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DAVE WINTERS

DWT TRUCKING - CLEARWATER, MN

You lock a bunch of dogs in a cage for a week and don’t feed them, and then toss a small piece of meat in there, and watch them destroy each other trying to get it so they can survive another day, and that’s a crime, but you do it to truckers and it’s considered entertainment. One day that dog doesn’t go for the meat, he goes for your throat because he’s gone mad with rage.

Replied on Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 02:05 PM CST - 1
DAVID KROUSE DAVID S. KROUSE TRUCKING Red Lion, PA 126 Posts, 24 +, 50 -	DAVID KROUSE DAVID S. KROUSE TRUCKING - Red Lion, PA Originally Posted by: DAVE WINTERS Quote: "You lock a bunch of dogs in a cage for a week and don’t feed them, and then toss a small piece of meat in there, and watch them destroy each other trying to get it so they can survive another day, and that’s a crime, but you do it to truckers and it’s considered entertainment. One day that dog doesn’t go for the meat, he goes for your throat because he’s gone mad with rage. " Great analogy!

Replied on Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 02:05 PM CST

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DAVID KROUSE

DAVID S. KROUSE TRUCKING

Red Lion, PA

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DAVID KROUSE

DAVID S. KROUSE TRUCKING - Red Lion, PA

Originally Posted by: DAVE WINTERS
Quote: "You lock a bunch of dogs in a cage for a week and don’t feed them, and then toss a small piece of meat in there, and watch them destroy each other trying to get it so they can survive another day, and that’s a crime, but you do it to truckers and it’s considered entertainment. One day that dog doesn’t go for the meat, he goes for your throat because he’s gone mad with rage. "

Great analogy!

Replied on Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 03:26 PM CST
J.R. PAGE JON PAGE Sac City, IA 20 Posts, 0 +, 1 -	J.R. PAGE JON PAGE - Sac City, IA we put figures to it 6 years ago when we lost some contracts to the big tarilers,one all pencilled in we figured about $8000 a year more revenue with the triple axle, but with twice the wear and tare with the extra weight i figured we would stay with the tandems

Replied on Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 03:26 PM CST

J.R. PAGE

JON PAGE

Sac City, IA

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J.R. PAGE

JON PAGE - Sac City, IA

we put figures to it 6 years ago when we lost some contracts to the big tarilers,one all pencilled in we figured about $8000 a year more revenue with the triple axle, but with twice the wear and tare with the extra weight i figured we would stay with the tandems

Replied on Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:43 PM CST
JOSH DRAYFAHL JOSH DRAYFAHL TRUCKING LLC Columbus Junction, IA 6 Posts, 9 +, 1 -	JOSH DRAYFAHL JOSH DRAYFAHL TRUCKING LLC - Columbus Junction, IA Originally Posted by: DAVID KROUSE Quote: "Bingo! Point made without even mentioning the "B" word. I see one has already hit you with a downvote. " I see it must have struck a nerve with 2 now. I don't see what there is to dislike about what I said unless they are one of the guilty. I figured this could be a touchy subject. That's the reason I made it clear to begin with that I wasn't lumping all of them into one group. Figured that would keep the good ones from thinking I was directing it their way. I have nothing against a big wagon at all. Hell I'd be open to pull one for the right reasons. But what is the incentive if you end up with a lower rate? Be a foolish way to feed your ego if that's what it's about.

Replied on Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:43 PM CST

JOSH DRAYFAHL

JOSH DRAYFAHL TRUCKING LLC

Columbus Junction, IA

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JOSH DRAYFAHL

JOSH DRAYFAHL TRUCKING LLC - Columbus Junction, IA

Originally Posted by: DAVID KROUSE
Quote: "Bingo! Point made without even mentioning the "B" word. I see one has already hit you with a downvote. "

I see it must have struck a nerve with 2 now.

I don't see what there is to dislike about what I said unless they are one of the guilty. I figured this could be a touchy subject. That's the reason I made it clear to begin with that I wasn't lumping all of them into one group. Figured that would keep the good ones from thinking I was directing it their way. I have nothing against a big wagon at all. Hell I'd be open to pull one for the right reasons. But what is the incentive if you end up with a lower rate? Be a foolish way to feed your ego if that's what it's about.

Replied on Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:43 PM CST
PETE WENGER PETE WENGER TRUCKING LLC Manheim, PA 80 Posts, 2 +, 1 -	PETE WENGER PETE WENGER TRUCKING LLC - Manheim, PA The only person that benefits from overweight permits is the broker.

Replied on Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 10:43 PM CST

PETE WENGER

PETE WENGER TRUCKING LLC

Manheim, PA

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PETE WENGER

PETE WENGER TRUCKING LLC - Manheim, PA

The only person that benefits from overweight permits is the broker.

Replied on Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:44 PM CST
DEAN HUGHSON WALK-WAY TRANSPORT WINTHROP, IA 157 Posts, 46 +, 15 -	DEAN HUGHSON WALK-WAY TRANSPORT - WINTHROP, IA Originally Posted by: PETE WENGER Quote: "The only person that benefits from overweight permits is the broker." What if there is no broker involved?

Replied on Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:44 PM CST

DEAN HUGHSON

WALK-WAY TRANSPORT

WINTHROP, IA

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DEAN HUGHSON

WALK-WAY TRANSPORT - WINTHROP, IA

Originally Posted by: PETE WENGER
Quote: "The only person that benefits from overweight permits is the broker."

What if there is no broker involved?

Replied on Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 01:37 PM CST
NANCY HARDER CORBO AGRO LTD. Saskatoon, SK 36 Posts, 22 +, 0 -	NANCY HARDER CORBO AGRO LTD. - Saskatoon, SK the rates up around the border to canada are the same for tandem, tridem and superb, haul what you want but rate is the same.

Replied on Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 01:37 PM CST

NANCY HARDER

CORBO AGRO LTD.

Saskatoon, SK

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NANCY HARDER

CORBO AGRO LTD. - Saskatoon, SK

the rates up around the border to canada are the same for tandem, tridem and superb, haul what you want but rate is the same.

Replied on Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 01:52 PM CST + 1
NANCY HARDER CORBO AGRO LTD. Saskatoon, SK 36 Posts, 22 +, 0 -	NANCY HARDER CORBO AGRO LTD. - Saskatoon, SK Originally Posted by: PETE WENGER Quote: "The only person that benefits from overweight permits is the broker." not true. if you run superb you can load tridem wieghts with a permit instead of just tandem and if the farmer can get a permit and you are close to the border perhaps even 42mt so its sometimes to the trucks advantage to have overweight permits. i dont really understand why you think a broker makes more money on a tonnage hauled load with the same rate.

Replied on Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 01:52 PM CST

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NANCY HARDER

CORBO AGRO LTD.

Saskatoon, SK

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NANCY HARDER

CORBO AGRO LTD. - Saskatoon, SK

Originally Posted by: PETE WENGER
Quote: "The only person that benefits from overweight permits is the broker."

not true. if you run superb you can load tridem wieghts with a permit instead of just tandem and if the farmer can get a permit and you are close to the border perhaps even 42mt so its sometimes to the trucks advantage to have overweight permits. i dont really understand why you think a broker makes more money on a tonnage hauled load with the same rate.

Replied on Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 01:57 PM CST
NANCY HARDER CORBO AGRO LTD. Saskatoon, SK 36 Posts, 22 +, 0 -	NANCY HARDER CORBO AGRO LTD. - Saskatoon, SK i think it's cute you call a tridem a "big" wagon :) from the land of the Superb

Replied on Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 01:57 PM CST

NANCY HARDER

CORBO AGRO LTD.

Saskatoon, SK

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NANCY HARDER

CORBO AGRO LTD. - Saskatoon, SK

i think it's cute you call a tridem a "big" wagon :)

from the land of the Superb

Replied on Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 08:10 PM CST + 1
JEFF TOMLINSON TRK SERVICES LLC Fort Dodge, IA 18 Posts, 5 +, 0 -	JEFF TOMLINSON TRK SERVICES LLC - Fort Dodge, IA I really have not seen to much of my regular freight being discounted for hauling heavy. Mostly the reason I am on 7 is customer demand for volume of products. I now haul 6.3 loads in 5 trips. I get to make more money, and I can fill the customers volume demands. There have been a few shippers that cut rates, then they went back up when they could not get the volume hauled at low rates. I think in the feed business, that rates will get better because they are feeding so many more animals. They have to get the feed there somehow, bigger rigs is the only choice. They cost more to own, more to opperate, and I believe the large volume customers understand that. You pay for what you get. The better the service, the better the pay.

Replied on Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 08:10 PM CST

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JEFF TOMLINSON

TRK SERVICES LLC

Fort Dodge, IA

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JEFF TOMLINSON

TRK SERVICES LLC - Fort Dodge, IA

I really have not seen to much of my regular freight being discounted for hauling heavy. Mostly the reason I am on 7 is customer demand for volume of products. I now haul 6.3 loads in 5 trips. I get to make more money, and I can fill the customers volume demands. There have been a few shippers that cut rates, then they went back up when they could not get the volume hauled at low rates. I think in the feed business, that rates will get better because they are feeding so many more animals. They have to get the feed there somehow, bigger rigs is the only choice. They cost more to own, more to opperate, and I believe the large volume customers understand that. You pay for what you get. The better the service, the better the pay.

Replied on Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 08:10 PM CST
DALE HERMANS HERMANS FARM Milbank, SD 324 Posts, 190 +, 41 -	DALE HERMANS HERMANS FARM - Milbank, SD Originally Posted by: NANCY HARDER Quote: "i think it's cute you call a tridem a "big" wagon :) from the land of the Superb" I think the reason the permit can benefit a broker, is when ignorant people take the per ton rate cheaper, just because there's more weight. On the triple being considered "big"....many states here dont allow doubles, or weights over 80000 pounds. Not to get political.....but it's only certain states.....

Replied on Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 08:10 PM CST

DALE HERMANS

HERMANS FARM

Milbank, SD

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DALE HERMANS

HERMANS FARM - Milbank, SD

Originally Posted by: NANCY HARDER
Quote: "i think it's cute you call a tridem a "big" wagon :) from the land of the Superb"

I think the reason the permit can benefit a broker, is when ignorant people take the per ton rate cheaper, just because there's more weight. On the triple being considered "big"....many states here dont allow doubles, or weights over 80000 pounds. Not to get political.....but it's only certain states.....

Replied on Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 08:10 PM CST - 1
ANDREW WENGER AWTRANSPORTATIONLLC Tampa, FL 141 Posts, 4 +, 4 -	ANDREW WENGER AWTRANSPORTATIONLLC - Tampa, FL My biggest concern with hauling heavy is the loading and unloading time. A shipper or receiver who can't efficiently load/unload a 25 ton load in 30 min should have no business with heavier loads. Admit it we've all been there. Yes the waiting time thing rears its nasty head AGAIN. I Could go on and on but i will stop.

Replied on Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 08:10 PM CST

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ANDREW WENGER

AWTRANSPORTATIONLLC

Tampa, FL

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ANDREW WENGER

AWTRANSPORTATIONLLC - Tampa, FL

My biggest concern with hauling heavy is the loading and unloading time. A shipper or receiver who can't efficiently load/unload a 25 ton load in 30 min should have no business with heavier loads. Admit it we've all been there. Yes the waiting time thing rears its nasty head AGAIN. I Could go on and on but i will stop.

Replied on Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 08:05 AM CST
GREG BOMMELMAN WILDWIND TRANSPORT DONNYBROOK, ND 81 Posts, 19 +, 4 -	GREG BOMMELMAN WILDWIND TRANSPORT - DONNYBROOK, ND I have a 3 axle 3 hopper for sale 2018. I am going to go with a tandem. Or a spread axle

Replied on Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 08:05 AM CST

GREG BOMMELMAN

WILDWIND TRANSPORT

DONNYBROOK, ND

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GREG BOMMELMAN

WILDWIND TRANSPORT - DONNYBROOK, ND

I have a 3 axle 3 hopper for sale 2018. I am going to go with a tandem. Or a spread axle