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walking floor rates in California

Apr 14, 2016 at 10:50 PM CST
a broker is giving me 12. pero ton for 134mi of almond hulls dose that sound right? I'm still trying to understand the dairy business. if any walking floor guy can help me out??
Replied on Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 11:30 PM CST
walking floors should pay more than hoppers , i pull a hopper in texas and i get 15 for up to 100 miles 18 up to 150 and 25 up to 200
Replied on Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 11:52 PM CST
Mr.Rivera, get rid of the broker. You don't need that person. Call Western Milling or whoever owns the hulls. $12 will break you.

Art Pfluger
Replied on Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 06:11 AM CST
looks like he's giving me the shaft
Replied on Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 08:38 AM CST
Morning, I realize the hippies in California have you guys paying huge amounts in tax and ludicrous amounts for low emission trucks, but 12/ton for 134 miles seems pretty reasonable. Partcularly in California where you likely will find a back haul. Also, in my experience, never "get rid of someone" or burn a bridge.

Lastly, to help keep costs down, get some Steel Wheels!!!
Replied on Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 09:53 AM CST
should he hal that backhaul for a backhaul rate also .....?
Replied on Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 10:07 AM CST
Kevin, the mkt is difficult for everyone in the industry currently. Given this, I feel like we, as haulers, need to keep our expecations realistic until things get better in a few years.

Hopefully this video will provide some comedy and inspire improvements in efficiency for all! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45rIRGX-ZJY
Replied on Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 10:24 AM CST
the market might be tight but thats cheap on a hopper and a floor should pay more since you can't get 25 tons on because of empty weight , 134 miles shuld pay a one way rate and at 12 bucks that dollar a mile freight.......before would haul it i would stay home watch jerry springer eatin popcorn waitin on the repo man. the lower the miles on the truck the more chance of gettin a couple more bucks at auction....... but thats just my opinion.
Replied on Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 10:57 AM CST
Kevin, I too enjoy watching Springer. Particularly the midget episodes. However we need to stay focused.

The California load in question pays over two dollars a loaded mile, even if one doesn't get 25 tons on! I would piss myself (or in a jug to be cleaner) for that rate in Nebraska!


Replied on Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 11:07 AM CST
well i'm sorry rates are that bad up there.....where i am the minimum just to cross the street literally is 25 cents cwt. on grain..... and goes up from there. i got buddies that were hauling rice last month for 40 cents on 38 miles, doing 3 a day. so theres no way i would or could work up there if rates are like you say.
Replied on Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 10:51 AM CST
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I don't know the CA market but in my opinion that's dirt cheap. By half. Floors are expensive and should command a certian value. Even if a reload is across the street. Belts have become pretty common in my neighborhood and I think they are moving with hopper rates some of the time. Seems to be shorter haul stuff which is pretty competitive. Close to home kind of a thing.

I'm with Art. Dump the broker. We don't haul anything bulk for brokers. We do some van freight with brokers but not lately. Rates are terrible. Taking the "bounce" instead.
Replied on Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 06:02 PM CST
$12.00 per ton is on the low end. but that is $2.24 per loaded mile. must take into consideration where is your next load coming from? i was hauling with a major commodity hauler out of fresno about 1990. at that time the truck grossed about $620 from firebaugh to chino. 223 miles for nut covers. thats about $25.00 per ton or $2.78 per loaded mile. now take into consideration that was 25 years ago and there was only about 5 walking floor companies in the area. now you can find independents everywhere.
Replied on Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 06:56 PM CST
i guess floors in ca. must be lighter than others , all i have seen weigh 32 to 34 empty , 80,000 means maybe 24 tons at 12 bucks is 228 on 134 miles for 2.14 per mile , i consider anything under 200 miles one way freight , as i think others should too whether theres a load..... not a backhaul..... available traveling back in the direction of another load of primary haul. cheap is cheap.... period. i see guys all the time haul a load 200 miles for 750 800 bucks and then go pick up a load headed back for 250 or 300 bucks and then still have to dead head 75 miles or so back to thier primary haul and it throws them pulling 3 good loads and 2 crap loads for the week , which.. if that trips your trigger great , myself i choose to just head back to primary empty and pull 5 "good" loads for the week , and those geniuses just can't figure out how i make 1000 or more a week than they do running empty so much.... i just smile and say yeah... i can't figure it out either , wierd huh.... and walk off..... bottom line if what your doin works for you keep doing it.
Replied on Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 11:39 PM CST
Originally Posted by: DEAN HUGHSON
Quote: "I don't know the CA market but in my opinion that's dirt cheap. By half. Floors are expensive and should command a certian value. Even if a reload is across the street. Belts have become pretty common in my neighborhood and I think they are moving with hopper rates some of the time. Seems to be shorter haul stuff which is pretty competitive. Close to home kind of a thing. I'm with Art. Dump the broker. We don't haul anything bulk for brokers. We do some van freight with brokers but not lately. Rates are terrible. Taking the "bounce" instead."

Abel,

Just to clarify, is it 134 miles one way or round trip? Obviously it would make a huge difference.

Things are getting pretty crazy. I see van stuff down close to $1.00 mile up to over $4.00 mile for short haul walking floor. Wild variations in everything.